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truck man
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at no other major College Football team in America would JJ be allowed to play the way he has and still be a starter. Les is to loyal to a fault
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I stopped reading here
of course you did, you hate the fact that he doesn't look at LSU thru purple and gold colored galsses like you do. sorry not all of us are LSU Nazi's like yourself and believe all the propaganda that comes out of the Ath. Dept.
re: In Jefferson the Tiger's don't exactly trust
Posted by truck man on 4/15/11 at 10:21 am to Lonnie4LSU
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You mean, other than sign with the Tigers, take on one of the most pressure packed college football player task around as an 18 year old true fr cause his team needed him, and help QB an LSU team that has won 20 games in two years and obtain a Top 8 NR???
so the fact we've had a National Top 10 Ranked Defense the past 2 years didn't help him attain those 20 wins? problem we have with Jefferson is that this team won in spite of him over the past 2 years. imagine if we had a compitent QB who didn't need 2 weeks or more to prepare so he could play an above average game. Glenn Guilbeau said it best
"Maybe it has been so long since LSU has had a good quarterback, the fans, media, Miles and the LSU electorate no longer know what one looks like"
LINK
re: In Jefferson the Tiger's don't exactly trust
Posted by truck man on 4/15/11 at 10:12 am to Uncommon Cents
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Awwwwright. Damn it is so gratifying to get a new Basher in here. The dude went to all the trouble to register under a different name just so he could come here and Bash Jefferson. Way to go!!
Show those sunshine pumpers what we Bashers are made of. You are welcome here truckman and your old identy is welcome too.
Got to keep the Bashing of Jefferson going. We are proud of you. The Daily Jefferson Basher Brigade salute the effort you made to create a whole new identiity just to get a Bash in. You are a true member of the Brigade.
Keep up the Jefferson Bashing. It's what we do.
i been on here since 2004 and i've never been a fan of Jefferson
re: In Jefferson the Tiger's don't exactly trust
Posted by truck man on 4/14/11 at 3:40 pm to boxcar willie
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JJ had his best games in the two biggest games of the season: vs Bama, very big game obviously, and in the cotton bowl, secured LSU a good finish and decent spot in the final polls. JJ seems to perform his best under pressure and not meaningless spring games
both games where the coaches had more than a Week to prepare witht he game plan
re: In Jefferson the Tiger's don't exactly trust
Posted by truck man on 4/14/11 at 3:35 pm to NOLAtoChiTwn
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But you probably never like him at all.
The logic is flawed and maybe tainted, "Start Mett"-after a non contact on the QB spring game vs a fast viscious,SEC game or PAC Ten leader for that matters-over the QB who gave up his FR redshirt year,for a desperate situation, has taken a huge amount of punishment,but never punked out, taken booing from the home crowd and subsequently one of the things he has done is, saved LM from a career damaging lost to Big Bad Bama and Nick Saban, because inspite of everthing and the killer competition- he played unshaken.
Some people hope or think in their feverous mind, LMs is going to slap a player in the face who has given his all; by starting a Johnny Come Lately player out of the gate. Besides he is unprove-sure he's big he passes good in practice,spring game practice etc, and beat up on some small time FR and SO in Juco. But, wait until he does well against the,mad bad big boys, before you crown him "saver" . Wait until he get's his chance, and Miles will make the best call, The "JJ has done nothing","is nothing" "Implications", comes across as a intentional ungratefullness or just plan MALICE.Seeds that are not good along the way.
guys we have finally gotten Jordan Jefferson to post on the Rant
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i was going to post something here but im really getting tired of this argument.
I just hope they never televise another LSU spring game. That is one of my many wishes.
yeah not a very smart idea if you wanna control the propaganda surrounding LSU football
re: In Jefferson the Tiger's don't exactly trust
Posted by truck man on 4/14/11 at 12:37 pm to Tiger in Texas
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But Miles makes the call, and you know JJ is going to start, so we just have to live with that decision. I just hope that JJ can come out and quite the fans perception of him, as only he can do it...no more excuses, he will be a senior, it's now or never. And from Miles' standpoint, he better be right about starting JJ, because if he is wrong, you potentially cost us a BCS championship next season, as most will already say it's what cost us a possible BCS title last year- inadequate QB play...
you can say all you want about Saturday being a glorified scrimmage and being vanilla in their calls, but 4-14 is still 4-14 and it's become the rule not the exception when talking about JJ. when he has games like vs Ole Miss and A&M, aren't you surprised by those type of games rather then expect them? he's still not reading his progressions or hitting WR in stride. don't you think you should be able to execute better than that in a scrimmage? i'm just tired of Miles coddling this guy when you have a guy who's clear cut better than him. yes Mett may have had some growing pains thru spring, but if Saturday proved anything it's that he'd overcome them and is primed to be a key player for our Offense. starting JJ is not the answer for this team.
re: In Jefferson the Tiger's don't exactly trust
Posted by truck man on 4/14/11 at 11:59 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Mett was never going to be given the keys to the car without paying his dues and starting at #3 is part of that dues paying.
Cam was handed the keys and look where that got Auburn last year. i think more Tiger fans would rather see Mett given the opportunnity to start and work thru his struggles with the talent he has then continue to watch JJ play eratically. at least with Mett we'd expect some mistakes being he'd be a first time starter in Div I, rather then watch JJ continue to make the same as a 3rd year starter.
he lost me in 2005's Tennessee game
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“I think we look at the opportunities to play Jarrett Lee,” Miles said. “I think he’s worked very hard at it. He’s more mature. There is a very fine line with that field and the boundary, and making sure that he’s ready to step onto the field and do the things that we’ve expected him to do is kind of my push. Frankly, it’s getting closer and closer, and we like him.
“It’s never going to be necessarily the fact that the other guy is just doing poorly. It’s with the complement of the efforts that Jarrett Lee has. He’s worked hard at it. He has continued to compete and continues to improve, so my view is looking for opportunities to get him on the field. It’s really a game plan going into each week to be honest with you, but this week as well.”
this makes no sense at all
re: Open Letter to Jordan Jefferson
Posted by truck man on 9/27/10 at 3:58 pm to TriumphTiger
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We know you have the skills. You know you have the skills. Obviously Coach Miles believes you have the skills. Play your game.
Don't worry about dropped passes. Lift your receivers up. Play your game.
Don't let cracks in the O-line get to you. Lift those guys up. Play your game.
This is a perfect week to open it up and find your groove. The Vols just gave up over 400 yards passing to Alabama-Birmingham. We don't need 400 yards passing. We don't need 300 yards passing. We probably don't need 200 yards passing.
What we do need is the Jordan Jefferson we know is out there. You can throw this team on your shoulders, but you have to loosen up and play relaxed. The results will come. Stay positive. Have fun. Play your game.
understand the positve reinforcement, but have you watched JJ play this year? he does not have the skill to be a college QB in the SEC
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ok, but i'm telling you that THIS OFFENSIVE GAMEPLANNING is not Crowton's doing
i've heard some grumblings about the same from TAF members
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Uhhhh . . . You say that "Jefferson only throws short passes" but then you say he has 4 completions over 20 yards. So, really, Jefferson doesn't only throw short passes. And of course, my point was that if you ignore Jefferson's passes over 20 yards, you're gonna think he only throws passes shorter than 20 yards. It's kind of axiomatic
4 out of 33 completions have went for over 20 yards, that's 12%. if you are telling me that's a good average with the downfield receiving threats we have, then you are just missing what i'm saying. (which i'm sure is possible, because you only see STATS)
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In the drives he did have, Jefferson picked up crucial first downs on several of those drives.
Moreover, on several of the drives that Jefferson had, he could not have picked up more than 1 first down before LSU crossed the goal line
he still only lead 2 drives in which he picked up more than 1 first down. he had 2 drives which started inside the opponents 30 yard line 1) Ridley broke for a TD 2) they gained 6 yards and kicked a FG. that's the only 2 you can count that if they would have picked up more than 1 first down than they would have scored. on the others he was in plus field position picks up what you call "a cruical 1st down" then the drive stalls and they have to kick FGs.
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Oh, we're going to play this game. I ask which plays, and you say go watch the tape. Hey, you say he did it, why don't you tell me which plays he did it on.
i have no interest in rewatching that putrid game to chart the throws he's made. we'll just agree to disagree here.
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Translation: Yeah, truck man screwed up, again, but he won't admit it
actually not really. because although Ole Miss has lost to Vandy and Jacksonville State. they are playing with young talent and will get better as the season goes along. by the time they play LSU, i expect them to be more mature and playing better football and Ole miss/LSU games are always close.
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I don't think that word means what you think it means
di·gres·sion   /dɪˈgrɛʃən, daɪ-/ Show Spelled
[dih-gresh-uhn, dahy-]
–noun
1. the act of digressing.
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So you're using stats that ignore Jefferson's two best plays? That's an interesting methodology
my point is it is a re-occuring theme that Jefferson only throws short passes. through 3 games he has 4 completions over 20 yards.
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Funny thing. Football games are not played by averages. Jefferson had to put together some real drives, and he had to make some first downs for each of the drives but one.
only 2 out of 9 drives did he produce more than 1 First down.
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Oh, which plays were those. I have the game recorded. I would love to go back and watch those plays.
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Checking down is what a QB is supposed to do. Which plays did he check down to quickly? I have the game recorded. I would love to go back and watch those plays.
i understand checking down is what QBs are supposed to do, but not on every pass play. go back and watch the game since you have it recorded and you'll see, that he checked down on about 7 of his 10 completions.
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You're not very good with facts, are you? Vandy and State are the two worst teams will face? What is Ole Miss, bearing in mind that Ole Miss lost to Jacksonville State and Vandy by two touchdowns.
well LSU won't have the luxury of playing them for another 8 weeks.
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That's your opinion. We'll see. We'll see.
we sure will. we'll also see the continued digression of the LSU offense
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12 passes for 79 yards?
i'm sorry it was 13 passes. versus UNC aside from one pass to Randle for 51 yards and one pass to Jospeh for 21 yards, he completed 13 more passes for 79 yards. the one 51 yard completion may have been the best throw he's ever made in an LSU uniform. he was asked to throw downfield more times in this game, but again after his first read wasn't open he just check down to the dump off guy. he never scanned the field and found secondary WR who ran intermediate routes.
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If you are correct, how did Jefferson not do that against State? How many punts or turnovers did LSU have? In any event, the role of the QB is to perform as the QB is asked to perform. Jefferson did that well.
when you're average starting field position is the opponents 46 yard line, i hope you don't have to punt much. and if you can move the ball 10 yards, you are in FG range. let's talk about the failed opportunnities to punch the ball in the end zone in plus field position instead of how many punts LSU had.
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How many opportunities did Jefferson have to throw? Sixteen. He completed over 60% of his passes. More importantly, Jefferson put his team in scoring position on every possession except for one.
once again the Defense and Special Teams put the Tigers in position to score. Jefferson did lead two TD drives, one of which he only had to go 28 yards and the running game did all the work.
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Outside of the one drop that Shepard had on a deep throw, give me another example of when Jefferson was asked to throw the ball downfield.
there were a few times he looked to throw downfield, but after his #1 wasn't open he checked down, instead of going through his progressions and finding another Wr on an intermediate route.
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Look at the plays Jefferson was asked to execute and consider how he executed them. He did a great job
if you call constantly checking down after your number #1 option isn't open instead of scanning the field for other options, doing a great job, then you obviously accept mediocrity.
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So you're saying that on an option, he read the defense and took advantage of its breakdown. Isn't that what he is supposed to do on an option?
you got me there. guess i was just surprised that after 2 years, he finally read the option correctly.
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Except that he has won in the SEC throwing for less than 100 yards. Twice. And he hasn't lost yet.
against the 2 worst SEC teams he'll play this year. does anyone not think that in games versus Florida, Tennesse, Alabama, Aurburn and Arkansas that an output like that will not win us those games.
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The same WVU that got taken to OT by Marshall? The same WVU team that gave up a 100 yard rushing game to a Marshall player?
they still have a better Defense than MSU, UNC and Vandy
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Jefferson is developing in the sense that he is becoming a better QB. The UNC and the MSU game demonstrate that he is becoming a better QB. Sure, he made five mistakes in the UNC game, but it was the first game of the year, and he played well.
how is completing 12 passes for a measily 79 yards developing and becoming a better QB? isn't the role of a developed QB to move the ball down the field and get the ball to your playmakers with opportunnity to succed? throwing dump offs to safety valave WR does not prove development or make you have a great game.
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In the MSU game, Jefferson performed excellently the tasks he was called upon to perform. Was it perfect? No. It is not realistic to expect perfection. (Did Russell Shepard play perfectly? No, and his imperfections contributed to the negative discussions about Jefferson.) Jefferson ran well for a QB, and he threw well
once aqain completing 10 passes for 97 yards is not playing excellent or proving development. he's in essentially his 20th game as a starting college QB and still can't make a decesive read. an excellent game by a QB is getting the ball to your playmakers with opportunnities to succed. outside of the one drop that Sheppard had on a deep throw, give me another example of Jefferson throwing the ball downfield that would have given his playmakers an opportunnity to make a big play.
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The game was in hand. Jefferson had played a great game with zero turnovers.
so because a QB has 0 turnovers that constitutes as a great game? you keep saying Jefferson had a great game, but it was far from that. yes having no turnovers is a great STAT to have, but when the rest of the game you played was less than ideal, how can you say it was great. he finally had a good run in the option package, but that had more to do with a breakdown in MSU defense than the individual effeort of Jefferson. you cannot win in the SEC with a QB who continues to throw for less than 100 yards.
WVU will crowd the line and dare Jefferson to beat them this week. they will have the best Defense LSU has seen to date. we'll see how all those 6 yard pass completions work this week.
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He was accurate on all of his throws.
too bad all were of the 3 yard slant variety. when will we see him throw a deep out or post or deep comeback. anyone can look accurate when they are throwing a ball that travels 3 yards thru the air
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Attempting to use NCAA rankings after two games to justify your argument is beyond ignorant.
Those rankings are completely misleading.
If you don't understand the logical, statistical, and just plain common sense reasons for that, you are hopeless
for someone who basis STATs as his central argument, i don't think you can discount this STAT. we played a UNC Defense missing all 4 starters in the secondary and only Comleted 2 passes over 15 yards. next we play Vandy who doesn't have a secondary player that will play on Sundays and manage 96 yards passing. all this after finishing last year in 100's in passing yards per game in the NCAA. it's that recurring trend you always like to talk about rearing it's ugly head again.
but i do agree with you, i don't think Lee's past makes him look appealing to the coaching staff and some fans, but Jefferson's present is down right awful. i believe Jefferson should get the start on Saturday, but if his ineptitude continues, there needs to be a change.
re: Official QB Thread...(do not start a new thread to discuss QB's)
Posted by truck man on 9/16/10 at 10:42 am to TigerFan55555
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This is what I am starting to sense. If you yank JJ now, his confidence is shot. Let him start, if he does well then great for him, if not you can let JL start taking some series. If he does well, then he will continue to play. Why throw him to the wolves if you can ease him in. That may turn out the best way to reintroduce JL to build his confidence back up.
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ill agree with this...its the only card miles has to play...not bad..ill buy this
i've said in another post that a memember of the TAF has said that this is why Miles won't replace Jefferson. he doesn't want to destroy his psyche. this guy also says Miles won't be here much longer either.
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