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re: Official MLB Draft Thread OVER (Neal to LSU!)

Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:26 am to
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:26 am to
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Something tells me that Rocker did not settle for less money, after what happened last year.




The problem is that, with some checkered medicals and being a year older, he doesn't have much leverage. He was drafted well above where he was expected to go, and saving money had to be the reason the Rangers were willing to take the risk.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 12:27 am
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:40 am to
Rangers may be planning to use a lot of that excess on Brock Porter. That would be nice.
Posted by Biggmatt78
Pineville
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 12:49 am to
LINK
Kumars 5.2M
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6890 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 1:18 am to
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Kumars 5.2M


So they signed him for 2.39 million under slot.
Posted by N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
11372 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:20 am to
I just read an interesting article on D1baseball (paysite) by Shooter Hunt (love the name).

Just a few highlights. Neal could start day one and that might get him to campus. Spoke more highly of Moffett than Shores because Moffett shined in the spring, Shores did not. Mentioned Kennedy as possibly the most important recruit (because of lefty pitcher). Said MLB might be more interested in Guidry as a pitcher than position player. Expects Bucknam to sign.
Posted by LSUTIGERS8181
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2012
11101 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 6:12 am to
So as of right now we have 15 high school commits, kind of scared for today though yesterday was expected
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 6:17 am
Posted by bugafor6
Member since Feb 2016
4200 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:03 am to
Why did Porter call so far? He’s that set on Clemson that he was passing first round money? He would have to be one of the highest rated guys to ever make it to campus.
Posted by TravisBRTiger
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:03 am to
So we didn't lose anyone we thought would stay; and the reality is we probably only have a round or two before kids start putting out messages on Twitter.

Lets see how the day goes. Around 1 o'clock I'm gonna be real unproductive.
Posted by Adam4848
LA
Member since Apr 2006
19776 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:08 am to
Porter is a draft eligible sophomore as well so his number is probably extremely high.
Posted by LSUTIGERS8181
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2012
11101 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:11 am to
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Around 1 o'clock I'm gonna be real unproductive.


You and me both
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290732 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:37 am to
No draft is the same, obviously, but between the 5th Rd & the 10th rd last year, only 13 high school players were selected. These are their signing bonuses:


5.134: $850,000
5.143: $400,00
5.152: $857,000
5.155: $850,000

6.166 $197,00 (under slot)
6.175: $222,500 (under slot)

7.211: $1,000,000
7.212 $197,500 (under slot)
7.217: $997,500


8.228: $500,000
8.229: $208,500
8.247: $447,500

9.265: $247,500

10th: none
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
77898 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:44 am to
A new wrinkle was added a couple days before the draft. UDFAs are now treated the same as guys drafted in the 11-20 rounds. For the last couple years they were capped at $20k bonuses. Now they're $125k soft capped with the overage going against the pool.

That could affect fringe guys all over college. The guys that want to get their pro career started or may be seeing more competition for playing time on their college roster than they anticipated. Or even guys that would rather take $100k instead of waiting a year and getting $5k. I don't know if it will affect any of our guys, but it's possible.
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
10653 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:52 am to
I'd think that makes it interesting for guys like Dugas & Jobert.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6890 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:53 am to
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A new wrinkle was added a couple days before the draft. UDFAs are now treated the same as guys drafted in the 11-20 rounds. For the last couple years they were capped at $20k bonuses. Now they're $125k soft capped with the overage going against the pool.

That could affect fringe guys all over college. The guys that want to get their pro career started or may be seeing more competition for playing time on their college roster than they anticipated. Or even guys that would rather take $100k instead of waiting a year and getting $5k. I don't know if it will affect any of our guys, but it's possible.


I'll be curious to see how that plays out the first time. I would think that any team willing to give a guy $100k as a UDFA would probably just draft him before some other team could pluck him off the market. In the days of 40 round drafts, teams usually have what they want after about 20 rounds, and it's just fillers after that, with guys who they either know won't sign, or are college seniors who they can sign for a buck and just see what happens. I have a hard time believing that after 20 rounds, teams are going to throw significant money at free agents. But, weird things happen, so I guess we'll see.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
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77898 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:56 am to
It depends on the org. Some orgs are better at scouting under the radar guys and better at developing them. The orgs that look at UDFAs as filler aren't going to pay them $125k. But the orgs that try to get value at every opportunity might. The Yankees are a club that I could see spending a decent amount on UDFA pitchers.
Posted by jtraylor387
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2008
228 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 9:02 am to
Fully agree that the fringe guys will be the ones offered over. If they have a year or so of eligibility, but were not drafted could possibly be swayed with the more money.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6890 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 9:05 am to
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It depends on the org. Some orgs are better at scouting under the radar guys and better at developing them. The orgs that look at UDFAs as filler aren't going to pay them $125k. But the orgs that try to get value at every opportunity might. The Yankees are a club that I could see spending a decent amount on UDFA pitchers.


Yeah, I can see that side of it, for sure. But knowing that teams can't go too crazy with the money, because it would count against their pool, it doesn't seem like there would be huge bidding wars, so any player willing to sign a UDFA deal would probably have signed no matter what. I would think that any UDFA actually getting a deal north of $100k would be the exception rather than the norm.

But I'm probably overlooking something, anyway. This process is fun, but extremely exhausting.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 9:06 am
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
77898 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 9:13 am to
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I would think that any UDFA actually getting a deal north of $100k would be the exception rather than the norm.


It would be.

But, with the draft being shorter there could be more competition to sign the UDFAs that would have gone from round 21-40 that teams were still found valuable. That will drive the price up on some guys. While they'll still be in the minority of overall UDFAs, it will be more guys getting that money than there were in the 40+ round years.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6890 posts
Posted on 7/18/22 at 9:18 am to
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It would be.

But, with the draft being shorter there could be more competition to sign the UDFAs that would have gone from round 21-40 that teams were still found valuable. That will drive the price up on some guys. While they'll still be in the minority of overall UDFAs, it will be more guys getting that money than there were in the 40+ round years.


I agree with that. The point I'm trying to make, and I didn't really articulate especially well, is that I'm more curious to see if, instead of seeing a run on college seniors to sign underslot in order to make room for high upside signings, will we see teams be more aggressive with the fringe guys, and knock a lot of those college seniors out of the draft where they can go after them for less money as UDFA's than they would perhaps have to pay for a junior who has some leverage.

It just seems like, if teams are really interested enough to pay that much for a UDFA, they'd just assume draft them, because they don't pay college seniors very much, even when they draft them in the top 10 rounds.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 9:26 am
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 9:19 am to
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