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re: Official CROW eating thread - Coleman
Posted on 4/5/09 at 9:06 pm to bigbowe80
Posted on 4/5/09 at 9:06 pm to bigbowe80
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And yes this is totally different then calling a timeout when you change a possession.
no shite? i was making an example of a coach making a mistake.
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play a more conservative minded strategy than alot of baseball coaches.
that isn't exactly what he said
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he was confident in his pitching staff to still close the game out,
he showed a lack of confidence friday night
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So my advice is to quit second guessing his decisions and let the man coach, this probably isn't the last time he will make an unconventional call but I think he understands what he it is doing and it is obviously carefully planned for, so everybody just relax and let the man do his thing.
you aren't going to find a bigger supporter of him than me. I was one of the few who was defending him at this point last season, when we had a losing record in SEC play. Good coaches can make mistakes.
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P.S. it's not a mistake if it works, and winning 2 out of 3 games on the road against the #1 team was the main goal this weekend. And yes this is totally different then calling a timeout when you change a possession.
does Ross or Coleman give us a better chance of winning Saturday's game?
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Posted on 4/6/09 at 5:19 am to TigerBait1127
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nobody here is questioning his ability to coach, the man is good at his job. That does not mean he doesn't make mistakes. Miles is a better coach than me but I know not to call a timeout after a change of possession (LSU UT 2005).
Holy moly.
It's crazy you say that cause I was thinking of bringing up the same exact situation to make my point, but only to make a different point, lol.
This is my 1st post regarding this whole fiasco.
Of course coaches make mistakes and I have no problems with fans criticizing coaches. I'm not one of those "coach knows more than all of us therefore every decision he makes we can't question" guys.
But my point is, this situation is COMPLETELY different than the Miles situation.
In this instance, PM really does know his players and there pitching abilities and how far they should be pushed. I'm pretty sure just about every, if not every single one of us have ZERO clue what Coleman's ability to pitch like he did this weekend.
I just don't get how some can sit and question and say PM was wrong. And it has nothing to do with us getting the wins. That doesn't even prove anything to me in regards to this situation.
This is just one of those things where we just don't know enough regarding Coleman and this situation to truly be able to make a definitive statement that he shouldn't have been in that situation.
Posted on 4/6/09 at 5:24 am to DEANintheYAY
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Thought an "outside" opinion may be helpful...
Dr. John A. Bagonzi is a former pitcher in the Boston Red Sox organization, current director of the Championship Pitching Camp, and author of The Act of Pitching, published by Pitching Professor Publications.
I often pitched batting practice the day after I pitched a game. This in retrospect was seriously wrong as I developed some arm trouble later. I got over it and returned to strong arm pitching as soon as I got on a balanced throwing program. What a starting pitcher does between his starts regarding throwing is as important as pitching the game itself. Make no mistake about throwing - it is the life blood of a successful pitcher and any successful baseball program must incorporate a consistent regular throwing regimen for its pitching staff. While idiosyncrasies exist between pitchers and some thrive on extra throwing between starts, others like a reduced amount of throwing to enhance their power and concentration. A good average program for starting pitchers regarding throwing should look like this:
Day 1: PITCH - GAME
Day 2: Take day off - don't touch baseball- do some shagging and maybe some running - for those who feel they need to throw - very light game of catch.
Day 3: Work off mound in bullpen -10-12 minutes - 60 to 65% velocity.
Day 4: Work off mound - concentrate on rotation - 70% velocity - 12-15 minutes.
Day 5: PITCH
This outside opinion really isn't helpful because it doesn't pertain to this situation at all.
The 2 points you bolded, especially. Both of those points were for ONLY 2 days and 3 days after you pitch. As your post even said, Day 5 you are ready to pitch.
According to this routine, Coleman pitched the Saturday before, that being day 1. He didn't pitch the 24 pitches until Friday, which would be day 6.
Posted on 4/6/09 at 6:39 am to Godzilla
How does the outcome yesterday justify throwing your ace with an 8 run lead in the 7th inning Friday?
Coleman threw 24 unnecessary pitches Friday. He threw 132 yesterday. Keep abusing him like this and he'll be no good to us in June.
Coleman threw 24 unnecessary pitches Friday. He threw 132 yesterday. Keep abusing him like this and he'll be no good to us in June.
Posted on 4/6/09 at 6:47 am to JustSmokin
The better qustion is why pitch Coleman on Friday up 8-1?
If he doesn't believe in the rest of his bullpen to hold a 7 run lead in the 7th then we are in trouble during the postseason tourney's!
If he doesn't believe in the rest of his bullpen to hold a 7 run lead in the 7th then we are in trouble during the postseason tourney's!
Posted on 4/6/09 at 7:32 am to DBG
quote:Even if we didn't also have Coleman, that would be an utterly stupid comment on the subject. However, since we do have Coleman as well, obviously we DID deserve to win that game as we DO have a pitching staff that can hold an 8 run lead against the #1 team in the country. In fact, we have a pitching staff that can win 2 out of 3 against the #1 team in the county, in their house. That is, when they are properly coached . . .
sorry, but if we cant hold an 8 run lead with bertuccini, bradshaw, byrd, ott, whatever combination you want, then we dont deserve to win
Posted on 4/6/09 at 8:13 am to GOP_Tiger
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Let me offer a different viewpoint: Mainieri was experimenting.
I don't think so. He's done this before with Coleman. I believe the week of the Kentucky game, Coleman threw two innings on a Wednesday, 2+ on Friday, and then 7 on Sunday.
That's way too much.
I still think the decision to throw Coleman was a mistake. In hindsight, it probably didn't cost us anything this weekend. We likely would have lost on Sunday with Ross on the mound.
BTW, I think Mainieri is a great coach.
Posted on 4/6/09 at 8:20 am to liquid rabbit
There is still not enough feather spiting on here yet.
All you crow eating RANTards, raise your hand and spit out a feather, and repeat after me, "Mainieri is not in over his head as we all said last year".--
All you crow eating RANTards, raise your hand and spit out a feather, and repeat after me, "Mainieri is not in over his head as we all said last year".--
Posted on 4/6/09 at 8:20 am to King Joey
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Even if we didn't also have Coleman, that would be an utterly stupid comment on the subject. However, since we do have Coleman as well, obviously we DID deserve to win that game as we DO have a pitching staff that can hold an 8 run lead against the #1 team in the country. In fact, we have a pitching staff that can win 2 out of 3 against the #1 team in the county, in their house. That is, when they are properly coached . . .
KingJoey, you've been making some meaningless points lately.
Whether you agree with Mainieri or not, what he did on Friday was extremely unconventional. If you can't admit that, then you are not being honest. Hell, the opposing coach made a public comment about how much Coleman was used. Now, that was an inappropriate comment to make IMO, but that doesn't make what he says wrong.
So, even if you disagree, it is definitely not a crazy opinion that Coleman was overworked...and a pretty good case could be made that he was overworked needlessly (to protect an 8 run lead.)
This post was edited on 4/6/09 at 8:22 am
Posted on 4/6/09 at 8:23 am to moneyg
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Coleman was overworked
Mainieri admitted as much.
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“He just wouldn’t let me take him out of the game, and I should have,” Mainieri said. “I let him go a little bit too far, but the kid was possessed out there.
This post was edited on 4/6/09 at 8:24 am
Posted on 4/6/09 at 8:30 am to Godzilla
quote:Consider it done
Next time i say something, IGNORE IT.
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