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re: OFFICIAL BCS/ NATIONAL TITLE DISCUSSION

Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:17 pm to
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:17 pm to
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Oh dear God this is how rumors get started


I did go back and fix the original error so as not to be the origin of a rumor.
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10352 posts
Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:27 pm to
... and then did it again ...

:ifrickedup:

I was originally looking at the Boise angle of #3/4 when this part started. LSU got brought in and I misinterpreted the provisions for being an AQ. I am aware of the 2-team limit rule (as evidenced by my post in this same thread earlier today, but brain-farted when analyzing the detail of the #3/4 provision.

My bad.

This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 4:49 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:46 pm to


Are we clear now?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90034 posts
Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:50 pm to
I have updated my guide through this week. It does not stay on page 1 very long, however, because it is full of facts and does not address QBs or coaching changes
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10352 posts
Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:55 pm to
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Are we clear now?


After you guys caught the screw up, the weird part to me was why they even needed to specify that provision to the #3/4 rules.

Then I realized it's because the 2 conference limit is in the "at-large" section, which isn't until later in the document.

While not really all that complicated, if you don't step back from the legaleze of the document and apply some common sense to the words, it's easy to make mistakes.

I go back to it all the time to verify what people write. For example, I hadn't heard until today about the provision where the Rose Bowl must select a non-AQ group team that is an AQ the first time a Big Ten/PAC-10 team is taken for the NCG.

quote:

For the games of January 2011 through 2014, the first year the Rose Bowl loses a team to the NCG and a team from the non-AQ group is an automatic qualifier, that non-AQ team will play in the Rose Bowl.


They're leveling the field with the other bowls since the Rose has 2 BCS conference tie-ins I'm guessing. Otherwise, the Rose would never get stuck with Boise, Utah, or Hawaii like the other have.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 5:04 pm
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 11/15/10 at 5:06 pm to
quote:

Oh dear God this is how rumors get started


Wait, so you have to win your conference to play for the NC right? That was a new rule in 2004?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90034 posts
Posted on 11/15/10 at 6:19 pm to
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Wait, so you have to win your conference to play for the NC right?


Yes. In 2002, they instituted the rule that you had to win your division, at least, to play for the NC in order to prevent another Nebraska fiasco. In 2004, they added the rule that you had to win your conference to play for the NC to prevent another Oklahoma. Both of these rules are what kept UGA out of the NC in 2007. The original BCS charter also states that two teams from non-AQ conferences CANNOT play each other for the NC. Cmon Matt, you should know all of these rules.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
84505 posts
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:04 pm to
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A playoff would be fantastic.
If fantastic means the worst thing to ever happen, then I agree with you.
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8412 posts
Posted on 11/15/10 at 7:33 pm to
quote:

In 2002, they instituted the rule that you had to win your division, at least, to play for the NC in order to prevent another Nebraska fiasco. In 2004, they added the rule that you had to win your conference to play for the NC to prevent another Oklahoma. Both of these rules are what kept UGA out of the NC in 2007.




After 2007, they instituted the rule that says that you can't play for a national title if you have two losses. And coming in 2010, your team does not have to field eligible players in order to qualify for the BCSNCG.
Posted by TigahRag
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Posted on 11/15/10 at 8:49 pm to
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 8:55 pm
Posted by Bread Orgeron
Baw Bakery
Member since Aug 2006
11855 posts
Posted on 11/15/10 at 8:55 pm to
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so if this is the case .. why was Georgia in the conversation in 2007 again ?? seems like you would have heard a mention of this BCS "rule" ..


wow

sarcasm meter broken
Posted by Boh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
12358 posts
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:24 pm to
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If fantastic means the worst thing to ever happen, then I agree with you.

I think it would be an improvement over the current system
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
84505 posts
Posted on 11/15/10 at 9:53 pm to
The current system is perfect.
Posted by JohnLSU
Death Valley, LA
Member since Aug 2007
7917 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:20 am to
I have a good feeling Oregon loses to Oregon St. and Boise St loses to Fresno ST and Nevada ...
Posted by Bread Orgeron
Baw Bakery
Member since Aug 2006
11855 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 4:23 am to
yeah i seriously think oregon will drop one. Although I'm not as optimistic as you that Boise will lose to BOTH fresno and nevada, I think one of those teams will be able to pull it off.
Posted by TigahRag
Sorting Out OT BS Since 2005
Member since May 2005
132775 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 6:28 am to
that's why I edited .. I just originally read that, then went back a few posts and realized he was joking ..
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90034 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 10:20 am to
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TigahRag


Posted by XbengalTiger
New Bama Standard 9-4
Member since Oct 2003
5507 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:40 pm to
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But if 12-0 Auburn loses to SC, then South Carolina goes to the Sugar and Auburn almost definitely finishes above LSU in the final BCS
I completely disagree with this. What are you basing this off of? The only reason UF only fell a couple of spots last year was becasue both Bama and UF were undefeated. If Auburn gets beat by a 3 or 4 loss USCe (they still have to play clemson) I think they will fall behind us since we would be on a 4 game winning streak. Also, we would have a higher computer ranking so even if they were one spot in front of us in the polls, they may still be behind us in the BCS.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90034 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:12 pm to
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Also, we would have a higher computer ranking


Fail. They will almost certainly stay ahead of us in the computers. The polls are our only hope.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90034 posts
Posted on 11/16/10 at 1:14 pm to
They would have an extra game for SOS, they would have a win over every decent team we played in conference, most importantly, US, and 1 loss to SC. We would have a win over similar teams, but even though our loss would be to a Top 5 team, our wins are not as good because Arkansas would be the top team at maybe 13-15. They would have a win over us at #3 or #4. That almost certainly gets them in.
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