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re: "offensively, there will be a definite switch in philosophy"

Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:06 pm to
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:06 pm to
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Looks like a NC caliber season ahead and hope he sees the need for other options this time around.


Alabama will still be much more talented than us in the trenches and with the front 7 on d. Goning to take some great coaching and opening it up.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:06 pm to
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But also think about what if he started Mett and we lost, as we likely would have as we had no pass protection. If you think people are calling him out now, what then?



Few are saying Mett should have started, many think he should have gotten a shot to resurrect the vertical game.

Had he started, Miles would have gotten credit for trying. Do you honestly think more than half the fan base had faith in JJ???
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:09 pm to
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Had he started, Miles would have gotten credit for trying.


the national media, as well as the fanbase, would have had an unprecedented field day with that. Going with a QB that has sat on the bench all season over the one that you had on the field (even if you don't believe he did anything positive in that game) that you won with in your prior meeting earlier in the season.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:11 pm to
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the national media, as well as the fanbase, would have had an unprecedented field day with that.


This is where you are wrong. You have the whole atmosphere misjudged. Only a very few people had faith in JJ.

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Going with a QB that has sat on the bench all season over the one that you had on the field (even if you don't believe he did anything positive in that game) that you won with in your prior meeting earlier in the season.


Obviously Miles wasn't worried about national perception of him as a coach based on his actions.

Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:13 pm to
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the national media, as well as the fanbase, would have had an unprecedented field day with that. Going with a QB that has sat on the bench all season over the one that you had on the field (even if you don't believe he did anything positive in that game) that you won with in your prior meeting earlier in the season.
Yes. If he'd started Mett, the fans would've rightly shite.

But, interestingly, he had this other guy who prior to ONE bad game against the best defense in college was leading the SEC in passing efficiency. Meanwhile, this other dude had laid a complete egg in the UGA game and was piss poor for one half of the Arky game AND, wasn't really very good against Bama either.

Yet, he obviously entered the game with little to no intention of having JL in the bull pen.

That was stupid as frick.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:14 pm to
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This is where you are wrong. You have the whole atmosphere misjudged. Only a very few people had faith in JJ.

After the UGA game, I had ZERO confidence that JJ could do a damned thing against Bama.

Anyone who thought he might was engaging in nothing but wishful thinking.

My only hope for us beating Bama knowing JJ was going to be the QB was that somehow, we'd be able to run on them and steal another low scorer.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:16 pm to
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This is where you are wrong. You have the whole atmosphere misjudged. Only a very few people had faith in JJ.

After the UGA game, I had ZERO confidence that JJ could do a damned thing against Bama.



Yeah, only the JJ fan club had any faith at that point. It was painfully obvious he was playing like he did in early '10
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:20 pm to
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Yeah, only the JJ fan club had any faith at that point. It was painfully obvious he was playing like he did in early '10

I honestly think you had to be flat out stupid to think JJ would have any success against Bama.

The ONLY reason he had ANY success in game 1 was that Bama was caught a bit unprepared for the speed option. Anyone who thought Saban was going to be unprepared for that in game 2 has so much hate for Saban, they don't recognize how good he is.

I still say Honey Badger cost us a real shot at the title because he saved JJ's arse against UGA. Maybe I'm giving Miles too much credit but I think he was going to give JL a shot until UGA went into self destruct mode early in the 2nd half.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:22 pm to
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The ONLY reason he had ANY success in game 1 was that Bama was caught a bit unprepared for the speed option. Anyone who thought Saban was going to be unprepared for that in game 2 has so much hate for Saban, they don't recognize how good he is.


Our success on Nov. 5th (offensively) is overstated. Only one offensive drive in regulation came resulted in points.
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 5:23 pm
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:24 pm to
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Our success on Nov. 5th (offensively) is overstated. Only one offensive drive in regulation came resulted in points.

Forgive me. I didn't mean we had "success" as much as I mean, whatever the hell did go well was marginal at best and you knew Saban would be prepared.

Hell, even the pass to Shep was freaking pathetic.
Posted by BobBoucher
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:25 pm to
The way Bama played scheme-wise in the title game, im pretty convinced Nov 5 would have been the same outcome had JJ been the starter leading up to it. I think yanking Lee caught Saban by suprise, and thats why the option was moderately successful Nov 5.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:26 pm to
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Hell, even the pass to Shep was freaking pathetic.


Actually believe it was to OBJ.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:30 pm to
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Actually believe it was to OBJ.

No. I mean the one in game one that would've been a TD if it weren't such a godawful pass.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:32 pm to
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Actually believe it was to OBJ.

No. I mean the one in game one that would've been a TD if it weren't such a godawful pass.




On Nov. 5th? The pass I believe was to OBJ. JJ never saw Shep. RS was running wide open down the middle of the field, the ball was thrown to OBJ who actually slowed to allow Shep to catch it.
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 5:34 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:32 pm to
I don't think we should have played Mett, but Lee definitely should have got some snaps in the second half.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:34 pm to
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I don't think we should have played Mett, but Lee definitely should have got some snaps in the second half.



I think if Miles wasn't going to play Lee, then Mett should have played.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:35 pm to
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On Nov. 5th? The pass I believe was to OBJ. JJ never saw Shep. RS was running wide open down the middle of the field, the ball was thrown to OBJ who actually slowed to allow Shep to catch it.

Well, OK. I meant that Shep caught it.

In any case, it was a godawful pass.
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:38 pm to
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I honestly think you had to be flat out stupid to think JJ would have any success against Bama.


obviously you don't think it's just as flat out stupid to think JL would have any success against Bama. JJ had marginal success against bama the first game while JL appeared shell shocked. The second game Bama came out even harder. Neither QB was going to have success the second game against Bama.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:38 pm to
We needed to give them another look. We didn't.

I'm over it, though.

He is still the best coach in the land, if you ask me. He made a poor decision. Even the greatest coaches make poor decisions, even in big games.

I refuse to jump aboard the reactionary bandwagon. It was what it was. They won, we lost.

Suit up, get ready, get them next year.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:41 pm to
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Well, OK. I meant that Shep caught it.

In any case, it was a godawful pass.



It wasn't that bad of a pass to OBJ, but JJ missed RS who was wide open for a long long time. It was a TD all the way had he seen him a second or two earlier.
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