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Off-season basketball questions
Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:53 pm
I don’t follow college basketball so excuse my ignorance in advance. A few questions for those that know:
1. How is it that smaller schools are making the tournament more regularly. I know it’s not possible to be national champions in every sport every year but can we at least be competitive? The last 10 years have been abysmal. I understand the current cloud, but it’s been a very very long time since we have been relevant in the sport.
2. Is there a light at the end of this tunnel? Surely we have a desire to be in the top 25.
Again current climate I get. And I realize we are supposed to only care about baseball right now, but I am just sitting here wondering if anyone in the administration or those working the “strong arse offers” even care or know to care how to make us competitive with the top 64 teams in the country.
I’ll hang up and listen
1. How is it that smaller schools are making the tournament more regularly. I know it’s not possible to be national champions in every sport every year but can we at least be competitive? The last 10 years have been abysmal. I understand the current cloud, but it’s been a very very long time since we have been relevant in the sport.
2. Is there a light at the end of this tunnel? Surely we have a desire to be in the top 25.
Again current climate I get. And I realize we are supposed to only care about baseball right now, but I am just sitting here wondering if anyone in the administration or those working the “strong arse offers” even care or know to care how to make us competitive with the top 64 teams in the country.
I’ll hang up and listen
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Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:58 pm to Germantiger001
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The last 10 years have been abysmal.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 8:09 pm to The Truth 34
Man if tGeneral were still here, LSU sports as a whole program would be unbelievable.
Except for maybe softball, which has it's own thread.
Off-topic but #5 beach volleyball starts postseason in a few days.
Except for maybe softball, which has it's own thread.
Off-topic but #5 beach volleyball starts postseason in a few days.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 8:11 pm to Germantiger001
quote:There are 350+ schools that play D1 basketball. For many of those, Men's Basketball is their main sport. In addition to that, many conferences have an automatic bid to the NCAAT, almost all through their conference tournament.
1. How is it that smaller schools are making the tournament more regularly.
quote:In five of the last 6 seasons, LSU Basketball has made the postseason. NIT, NCAAT, NCAAT, NCAAT (Covid cancelled), NCAAT, Nada.
The last 10 years have been abysmal
quote:TBD. It's not looking good coming off a 2-16 SEC season, but the history isn't written yet. Some are more hopeful than others, but no one truly knows. Even though I'm a "sycophant" lol, I truly hope Coach Mc can turn it around.
2. Is there a light at the end of this tunnel?
Posted on 4/17/23 at 9:42 pm to The Truth 34
Looking at WW’s term, he was definitely headed in an upward trend. I think I remember the years before him more. It just seems like we should be more consistently putting out a better product. It’s crazy how we can be so highly competitive in football and baseball most years in the span of the past 20 years and basketball doesn’t come close.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 9:47 pm to Germantiger001
quote:They aren't. The only way they get in is by getting an automatic bid by winning their conference. The reason you think this is that they advanced far into the tournament so you noticed them.
1. How is it that smaller schools are making the tournament more regularly.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 9:51 pm to Germantiger001
Mens Basketball has been the red headed step child of LSU athletics for a while. Some of us grew up watching and listening and then attended LSU when basketball was the best sport on campus.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 11:32 pm to Germantiger001
We won the sec 3 seasons ago
Posted on 4/18/23 at 6:59 am to drizztiger
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Even though I'm a "sycophant" lol, I truly hope Coach Mc can turn it around.
You're an LSU fan Drizz of course you hope that.
This site prefers a hard-line stance at all times.
Fire Javi!
Posted on 4/18/23 at 7:03 am to extremelsu
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We won the sec 3 seasons ago
So by saying this, you’re satisfied with our level of success? “We won the SEC 3 years ago” is surrounded by many years of mediocrity. Next year it will be 4 years ago, then 5 …
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:10 am to Germantiger001
You certainly seem to follow basketball , why don't you just hang up and go away .
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:19 am to Germantiger001
quote:
1. How is it that smaller schools are making the tournament more regularly. I know it’s not possible to be national champions in every sport every year but can we at least be competitive? The last 10 years have been abysmal. I understand the current cloud, but it’s been a very very long time since we have been relevant in the sport.
First and foremost, our athletic department does not care as much about basketball as other sports. Football and baseball are historically the most successful popular sports at LSU and as such get the most attention from the athletic department. Men's basketball has been up and down for years due to a lack of commitment and effort from the AD.
Second, small schools make the tournament because each conference gets an automatic bid to the NCAAT. Most get this through winning their conference tournament but there are some exceptions. When smaller schools go far in the tournament, they get the most media attention which contributes to the narrative. Additionally, many smaller schools in D1 basketball have it as their primary sport and as such it gets the most focus. Some of these schools don't even sponsor football.
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2. Is there a light at the end of this tunnel? Surely we have a desire to be in the top 25.
I do think our program will get turned around eventually, but I'm not sure MM is the answer. Historically, our program has a history of ups and downs, and we're on a down right now after several up years. WBB kind of lucked out since an all time great coach wanted to be here and the AD forked the money to get her here. What MBB needs more than anything is a good coach. We had that with WW but I'm not sure MM is that guy. I'm optimistic for next year because I think our roster has improved, but we will never know until those games are played.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 9:37 am to Germantiger001
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Looking at WW’s term, he was definitely headed in an upward trend. I think I remember the years before him more. It just seems like we should be more consistently putting out a better product. It’s crazy how we can be so highly competitive in football and baseball most years in the span of the past 20 years and basketball doesn’t come close.
Since Brown retired there has been inconsistency and just flat out poor HC hires. Brady was one of the few guys who wanted the job after Brown. Brady wasn't a bad coach. He was just very inconsistent and had an acerbic personality that could just as easily make him enemies as it did friends. When the players were here (and LA, particularly BR had a nice run of them in the early/mid 2000's) Brady could win. When he didn't have a pipeline of LA talent coming it, he lost...badly.
Johnson looked good on paper, but was a horrible fit. Jones should have NEVER been hired, and would not have but for the fact he was an LSU alum and had many from the Brown era constantly championing his campaign. Wade had the program winning at its most consistent level since Brown. That probably shouldn't be a surprise because he was the most like Brown. Unfortunately, through an absurd set of events (when, in the history of the sport has the DOJ/FBI investigated basketball recruiting) Wade was ousted after being caught playing the same game big time college coaches had been and still were playing for decades. McMahon is TBD, but the early returns aren't good.
Basketball is the sport where the least amount of players can make a huge impact. You can win a championship with as little as 8 rotational players. Considering there are millions of kids not just in the US, but worldwide, playing the sport, it provides an opportunity for many more schools when compared to football to find great talent. That's why you see teams that could never compete in football be great in basketball (see UConn this year).
To be great in football a program has to bring in 5x-6x the amount of great players as a basketball program does. And the south is where many of those players reside...including Louisiana. Plus, football is incredibly expensive to maintain. The pool of schools that have the resources to maintain a high level program AND attract the 40-50 great players necessary play at a championship level is small.
Baseball is an anomaly because very few schools really prioritize it. LSU is one of those, which provides it with an advantage over (at least) 75% of D-1 schools. It's really not a great comparison.
LSU is no different than Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Ohio St, Texas, etc. It has largely the same resources as those other schools. But you have to find the right HC. Florida had little basketball success prior to Donovan. They haven't had a ton since. Alabama was an inconsistent program for decades. Now they have a guy who has proven he can win. Same for Auburn. Houston went from a tremendous program in the 70's and (especially) 80's to virtually invisible for nearly 3 decades before hiring Sampson. Now, they are a perennial top 5 team again.
It is MUCH easier said than done, but it is simply a matter of finding the right HC.
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