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re: No way you can call it play off with only 4 teams
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:51 pm to CalTiger53
Posted on 9/25/14 at 10:51 pm to CalTiger53
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How do you who is best if they have not played each other at the end of season. I am sure you thought Alabama was better than Utah and Oklahoma before they played in the Sugar Bowl.
agree completely...and since all div 1 teams cannot possibly play every other div 1 team every year to flush that out, there has to be another way using things like records and strength of schedule...
that is exactly what we had with the BCS system...
now what we have is a secret comittee that will decide who the best 4 teams are based on some unknown set of criteria...
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Posted on 9/26/14 at 1:24 am to Spankum
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that is exactly what we had with the BCS system...
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that is exactly what we had with the BCS system...
But this wonderful BCS formula that now everyone seems to love was 2/3 POLLS, which are horribly flawed. And the other 1/3 was computer rankings, with the formulas programmed by humans.
So there will always be human bias involved, so i would much rather have a selection committee than rely heavily on ridiculous polls.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 4:35 am to atltiger6487
Judging from our first and last football outings, playoff concerns should be our last concern.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 8:16 am to CalTiger53
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How quickly the season ends for teams like LSU and Wisconsin and the rest of regular season becomes meaningless (I know three is miracle possibilities). We need at least 8 teams with 6 getting byes and 4 playing for the final 2 spots. Just saying to get you mind off Miles offense.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 8:58 am to CalTiger53
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You could have 3 best teams in the same conference and you will not have them in the play off with 4 teams
Well since they are in the same conference there are other ways to separate them
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Also, nobody can tell which top 10 team is the best at the end of season unless they play it off.
That's just wrong. Like someone else said, the BCS top 4 has been pretty damn correct taking into account the entire season's work to that point. And no need to point out outliers with some upsets that have happened in the past. That just also proves that expanding a one-off playoff field is even more flawed than the current system.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:00 am to GeauxPelsGeaux
This thread wouldn't exist if we were still undefeated. Wondered how long it would take to start picking at the format of the playoffs given the fact that we just made it much harder on ourselves to get there.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:19 am to atltiger6487
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But this wonderful BCS formula that now everyone seems to love was 2/3 POLLS, which are horribly flawed. And the other 1/3 was computer rankings, with the formulas programmed by humans.
So there will always be human bias involved, so i would much rather have a selection committee than rely heavily on ridiculous polls.
Exactly. The "beloved" BCS formula still relied heavily on human polls.
4 teams is too few, but it's a step in the right direction. Every year I think there are at least 8 teams that deserve a chance to enter a tournament to play for a title.
Look at last season: FSU was the only undefeated team. AU, Mich. St., Baylor, were all 1-loss conf champs. OSU's only loss was to Mich. State in the conf. championship game. Bama's only loss was to AU. Those 6 teams ,at least, deserved a shot to play for a championship. Stanford had 2 losses, but won a fairly tough and balanced Pac 12. Mizzou, in the nation's toughest conf. won the East division, and finished the reg. season with only one loss (same as MSU, AU, Baylor, Bama). Those 8 certainly deserved a chance to play for the title.
But of course, we still have those who like to "subjectively" pick the two best teams. There's a reason no other sport determines their champ like that.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:23 am to CalTiger53
It will be a disaster, with a small handful of people that will think they have to spread out the teams geographically.Strength of schedule means absolutly nothing now. The Alabama play as many cupcakes to start the season formula ,now will end the season with them playing some west coast team that has no right to be there. You think when they got a ,do over in 2011 was bad just wait to see what will happen in the near future. Its a wonder the whole bama team doesnt have diabetes. No reason at all now to play a decent ooc game.At least LSU has started with Oregon, yea super team Oregon that the Tigers shredded a few years back to start the season, and beat Wisconson to start this year. But the winning formula has been set in stone for bama. This 4 team so called playoff will be a fiasco.Using computers to add in some Strength of schedule would be better than what we will have now. A biased who can eat the most cupcake winner.Its also going to add in the same favorites every year, I wouldnt doubt a do over every 3-4 years from now on.I wish I had posted this on the sec rant.
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 9:31 am
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:33 am to CalTiger53
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How quickly the season ends for teams like LSU and Wisconsin and the rest of regular season becomes meaningless (I know three is miracle possibilities). We need at least 8 teams with 6 getting byes and 4 playing for the final 2 spots. Just saying to get you mind off Miles offense.
How diluted the regular season becomes with an 8 (or more team playoff field). The thing that separates college from pros is the significance of the regular season. You don't have teams that has to win in the last week of the regular season to get in the playoffs at 10-6 (Packers), a team that won 75% of their games (Ravens) or a team that barely wins half of their games (Giants only won 56% of their regular season games) getting hot at the right time to win a championship in college. I know a lot of NFL teams have strategy and want to get hot at the right time, which usually makes many of the last three weeks irrelevant. I don't want that in college football.
And, one loss does not end your season. Auburn lost early last year and went to the championship game, and there will be plenty of one loss teams in the 4-team playoff in the the coming years.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:48 am to SG_Geaux
quote:No matter how big the tournament is, there's only one trophy.
This ain't fricking little league. Not everyone needs a trophy.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 9:52 am to Alt26
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Every year I think there are at least 8 teams that deserve a chance to enter a tournament to play for a title.
I disagree. I don't think there has been 1 year where you can say there are 8 teams that deserved a shot at the title
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FSU was the only undefeated team. AU, Mich. St., Baylor, were all 1-loss conf champs.
There's your 4
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OSU's only loss was to Mich. State in the conf. championship game.
They lost their chance right there to a team that made it over them
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Bama's only loss was to AU.
If they won, they would have played Mizzou for the conf. champ. and not Auburn. They lost and lost their shot.
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Stanford had 2 losses
To Utah and USC. Next
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Mizzou, in the nation's toughest conf. won the East division, and finished the reg. season with only one loss (same as MSU, AU, Baylor, Bama).
But then lost what you could call the conference playoff game if you want against Auburn to get it. Have to whittle these teams down somehow and it starts at the conference level
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:04 am to YouAre8Up
Posted on 9/26/14 at 10:22 am to go ta hell ole miss
look, we're going to eventually get to an 8-team playoff, with automatic berths to the 5 major conference champions and 3 at-large berths. So that will be a combination of automatic selection based on winning your conference, and subjective selection of the 3 at-large teams that didn't win their conference.
Sounds pretty darn fair to me. And no way does that "dilute" the regular season. Every game is still extremely important.
Sounds pretty darn fair to me. And no way does that "dilute" the regular season. Every game is still extremely important.
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