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re: Nick Saban Appreciation Thread
Posted on 1/4/12 at 12:58 pm to DallasTiger
Posted on 1/4/12 at 12:58 pm to DallasTiger
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DiNardo? And if he was doing such a fabulous job recruiting he sure must have sucked as a coach.
DiNardo was a freakin' awesome recruiter. He was pulling in classes with talent like Saban and Miles get when LSU was in a far crappier position. We had poor facilities and weren't spending money, and yet he recruited NFL talent every year.
He didn't get it in the quantity that Saban and Miles have. But, he still is one of the best recruiters I've ever seen. There are still starters in the NFL that DiNardo recruited to LSU. In fact, I'd be very interested to see what kind of recruiting he could do at LSU in the current state of our football program. What he was able to do was remarkable.
This post was edited on 1/4/12 at 12:59 pm
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Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:00 pm to DP40
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Henry clashed w/ Dinardo over Kennison and Chris Collins.
Chris Cummings, maybe? I know it is a name certain to draw laughter from the 13-to-20 year old set, but I'm certain that's how it was spelled.
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:02 pm to Geert Hammink_43
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Why didn't LSU do the same for Stovall, Archer, Hallman, & Dinardo
Because those guys are not as talented as Nick Saban. Its not as simple as just hiring a great coach. You have to have the ALL pieces in place to win titles like LSU has done. The talent was always in the state, but LSU did not hire the coaches that could recruit develope the talent. The AD and administration did not put the money into the program. Even Saban would not have succeed the way he did at LSU if he had been hired 10 years earlier. The facilities were bad, we wouldn't pay for assistants, you need that stuff in place to get the recruits in order to succeed.
Edit for clarification.
This post was edited on 1/4/12 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:04 pm to jdg91878
if admins are going to whack the Dinardo and Archer threads can we get this POS thread whacked as well? tia
This post was edited on 1/4/12 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:04 pm to Choctaw
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if y'all are going to whack the Dinardo and Archer threads can we get this POS thread whacked as well? tia
I asked for it to be anchored. Maybe someone will listen. My Charles McClendon thread got whacked, too.
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:07 pm to DallasTiger
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Very different men but both can recruit and coach, and both can lead programs at a very high level.
Why is it so hard for people to simply admit this?
1. Immaturity
2. Lack of education
3. Low self worth
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:08 pm to Ace Midnight
Your timing for a Nick Saban appreciation thread really stinks.
I hate the Gumps and whoever coaches them.
Frick Bammer!
I hate the Gumps and whoever coaches them.
Frick Bammer!
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:That article disagrees with you. That and history show that the talent was leaving the state in droves- for the likes of Miami and FSU. Sure, you can make the case that DiNardo recruited SOME 3 star and a few 4 star talents with some potential, but the high profile recruits and the big blue chippers were not beating down the door to LSU.
The talent was always there
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:11 pm to hashtag
While I agree with this:
I wholly endorse this:
I hope the OP's dick gets caught in his weed-whacker for posting this.
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It really was a joint effort and aligning of the stars. Nick Saban inherited a program that was finally starting to lock down in-state football talent. But, it was very under utilized as a football program.
Nick built on DiNardo's success and continued to lock down the state. The stars were aligned when Emmert, Saban, and the TAF were willing and in agreement about how to spend money to bring LSU to the next level. They worked together to build some of the greatest facilities in the country, which has only furthered the success of the program.
Any number of things could have derailed the climb to success: Emmert, Skip, Saban, TAF, donors. If any of them were short sighted and didn't see the true potential, things could be different. If they weren't willing to spend the money, raise ticket prices, and do a host of other things, we wouldn't be here today.
Lastly, a lot of it comes down to the players. You pull in a guy like Kevin Faulk, it completely changes your program. Then, Saban pulls a class of Michael Clayton, Marquise Hill, Marcus Spears, Rudy Niswanger, Andrew Whitworth from in-state. That is a game changer.
And, then Les Miles.
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Keiland Williams, Kelvin Sheppard, Charles Scott, Richard Murphy, Al Woods, Pep Livingston, Trindon Holliday, Chad Jones, Terrance Tolliver, Demetrius Byrd, Will Blackwell, Ron Brooks, Joseph Barksdale, Drake Nevis, Steven Ridley, Patrick Peterson, Ryan Baker, DeAngelo Peterson, Brandon Taylor, PJ Lonergan, T-Bob Hebert, Rueben Randall, Sam Montgomery, Barkevious Mingo, Bennie Logan, Maurice Claiborne, Craig Loston, Chris Faulk, Russell Shepard, Josh Downs, Michael Ford, Michael Brockers, Ego Ferguson, JKen Adams, Brad Wing, Alfred Blue, Spencer Ware, Tyrann Mathieu, Eric Reid, Tharold Simon, Jermauria Rosco, Mickey Johnson, Odell Beckham Jr., Zach Mettenberger, Jarvis Landry, Kenny Hilliard, Anthony Johnson, La'el Collins
Just to name a few. Everything came together perfectly. And there are tons of people to thank. People that hire coaches, people that spend money on coaches and facilities, donors that have spent a ton of money, coaches that have come and gone, and great players.
If you remove any one of those things, we wouldn't be where we are. To say it is one person (Saban or Miles) is just plain ignorant.
I wholly endorse this:
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Not sure if anyone has said this yet. But if they haven't... SHUT THE frick UP! There is no reason to start a nick saban appreciation thread DURING game week, douchebag.
I hope the OP's dick gets caught in his weed-whacker for posting this.
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:12 pm to Choctaw
I give a rats butt about Saban. Thanks but don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out the door. Why in the hell do people persist in bring Sabama up at time when we are competing against the SOB for a National Championship.
He is gone ... I repeat he left ... We do not owe him a damn thing. He was well paid for what he did. He gives a rat's butt about LSU in case you have not guessed it!!!!
CLM is the man we need to thank and support
He is gone ... I repeat he left ... We do not owe him a damn thing. He was well paid for what he did. He gives a rat's butt about LSU in case you have not guessed it!!!!
CLM is the man we need to thank and support
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:13 pm to DallasTiger
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DiNardo? Five years and his high-water mark is winning the Peach Bowl? He was 7-15 in his last two seasons, including 3-13 in the SEC.
Good to see you slant things to support your argument. Why didn't you say DiNardo's highwater mark was 10-2 and a 10/11 ranking? Or that he best the frick out of ND in a bowl, yes it was the Indy bowl, but there literally half the bowl games in 97 as now, the Indy bowl is one of the older ones and had 2 ranked 9 win teams.
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And if he was doing such a fabulous job recruiting he sure must have sucked as a coach
Your problem is you see it only in either or terms. DiNardo was not a great coach by any means and he fell apart in the end, in part because, while he did recruit some talent, he also signed a bunch of guys that didn't qualify. By his own admission he made mistakes, because coming from Vandy where he was limited, he was like a kid in a candy store with the guys he could recruit and didn't pay enough attention to making sure they were eligible. By his last year, we were short on depth because of guys not being able to enroll. We had games were we would dress 60-65 players vs the 85 scholarship's you can have.
The other part of DiNardo's downfall is was the loss of assistants Watt and Reese. This is because Dean did not let him pay top dollar. IIRC Texas paid Reese close to what we were paying DNardo. When you offer 2nd rate salaries, you get 2nd rate coaches. Emmert changed that. Saban would never have even taken the job under the conditions DiNardo had. If Dean was willing to pony up, we could have maybe gotten Mack Brown in 94, but were'nt willing to go way over what he was getting at UNC.
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LSU was fortunate to get Saban and he did a great job.
Why is it so hard for people to simply admit this?
Yes, but he was also lucky to get the LSU job. Why is it so hard for you to admit it was mutually benefical?
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:13 pm to jdg91878
He pushed for the creation of the Academic Center for Student-Athletes which is a huge plus for the program both with parents of prospects and for the outstanding academic progress/success rate.
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:22 pm to Choctaw
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Dinardo was the one that started building the recruiting fence around Louisiana.
This... I remember the dark days, and Dinardo gave us a glimmer of hope and did rejuvenate LSU, without him and his recruiting Saban likely wouldn't have had as much success early on. If anyone deserves props, it's Dinardo. He often gets left out of the conversation because ultimately he lost control of the team. Still, he brought some really good talent to Baton Rouge and put in a lot of work on that recruiting fence around Louisiana.
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:23 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Good to see you slant things to support your argument. Why didn't you say DiNardo's highwater mark was 10-2 and a 10/11 ranking?
Better than 3 out of 5 of Saban's seasons at LSU, and comparable to, but slightly short of a 4th, 2001. The 1996 team scored 325 points in the regular season. The Kevin Faulk/Herb Tyler show was in full swing.
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:31 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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The talent was always there
That article disagrees with you. That and history show that the talent was leaving the state in droves- for the likes of Miami and FSU
I meant the talent was always in the state, not necessarily at LSU. One of the reasons the job was appealling to Saban was the fact so many NFL and college players came from La HS.
There is no disputing that the talent was leaving in droves, that was largely on Archer who thought it was better to concentrate on Houston.
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you can make the case that DiNardo recruited SOME 3 star and a few 4 star talents with some potential, but the high profile recruits and the big blue chippers were not beating down the door to LSU.
Kevin Faulk was the #1 player in the country he was being recruited by FSU and ND and DiNardo got him to ccome to LSU after 6 strait losing seasons. That was the most important recruit at LSU in the last 25-30 years. #2 as I've argued on here before was M Hill. Before Saban got him we never got highly ranked inner city (read black) kids out of New Orleans.
DiNardo stopped the bleeding and kept most of the kids in state. Saban locked it down and Miles has continued that and branched out nationally.
I'm not trying to diminish what Saban did, and I agree with you about him bringing an attitude, but so did Emmert. If it wasn't for Emmert, Dean would have kept DiNardo one more year, it was clearly time for him to go. Emmert, like Saban realized the potetial of LSU and we were fortunate to get both.
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
Agree with you. Kevin Faulk was a key piece in recruiting and the highest profile recruit in years.
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:43 pm to H-Town Tiger
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DiNardo stopped the bleeding and kept most of the kids in state. Saban locked it down and Miles has continued that and branched out nationally.
I agree with this.
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:43 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:I don't agree with you on this. At the time, without the benefit of hindsight, the LSU job was not a big step up for Saban over the Michigan St. job, it was more of a lateral move with Saban having the foresight to see that it was a sleeping giant. Hardly anyone else other than Tiger fans agreed with him, however.
Yes, but he was also lucky to get the LSU job. Why is it so hard for you to admit it was mutually benefical?
Today, now knowing what we know about the juggernaut that is LSU, it's easy to say that LSU was a step up over a Big Ten school like MSU. But at the time, LSU was nothing special in college football.
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:44 pm to Leaux
quote:because it's part of history
Why in the hell do people persist in bring Sabama
Posted on 1/4/12 at 1:45 pm to Choctaw
quote:the timing isn't great, but it's still a true thread
if admins are going to whack the Dinardo and Archer threads can we get this POS thread whacked as well? tia
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