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re: NFL to try a new onside kick option at Pro Bowl
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:52 pm to BobLeeDagger
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:52 pm to BobLeeDagger
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Team lines up to kickoff. Receiving team assumes no onside kick because the smarter move would be to try the play at the 25. Team kicking off surprises receiving team with onside kick.
I assume they will eliminate the "live ball" aspect of kick-offs. It would be more like punts in that the ball is "downed" where touched by kicking team
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 12:53 pm
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:54 pm to TH03
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:54 pm to TDsngumbo
Why would a team not do the 4 &15 option?
If LSU had this option this year, it would be very possible that we’d rack up 5 or 6 TDs before the other team even got the ball.
If LSU had this option this year, it would be very possible that we’d rack up 5 or 6 TDs before the other team even got the ball.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:56 pm to UptownnMike
Yeah I could so see the Saints getting burned by this at least a few times a season
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:57 pm to LSU Patrick
Is there any context to that graph? Is that one year or a collection? NFL or college?
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:57 pm to TDsngumbo
Allowing teams to retain possession after scoring is a huge/fundamental/everything-altering change to the game of football.
There's a world of difference between onside kicking and just being able to snap it into your QBs hands, especially when the risk-reward is so skewed towards the losing team.
You're already losing, so you get to play "make it take it", and if you don't convert, the already winning team just gets the ball at the 25 yard line?
It's a no brainer in a game where the winning team can so often run out the clock.
There's a world of difference between onside kicking and just being able to snap it into your QBs hands, especially when the risk-reward is so skewed towards the losing team.
You're already losing, so you get to play "make it take it", and if you don't convert, the already winning team just gets the ball at the 25 yard line?
It's a no brainer in a game where the winning team can so often run out the clock.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:57 pm to TDsngumbo
As long as pass interference/illegal contact didn’t give you an automatic first down.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:57 pm to TDsngumbo
Oh that’s terrible
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:02 pm to TDsngumbo
Not a fan.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:05 pm to TH03
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they would no longer have the option to onside kick.
Of course they would.
Imagine if the kicker is kicking off, and he just flat mis-hits the ball. The ball then only travels 11 yards. Luckily, the gunner is on it and recovers. Is that an on-side kick, or just a botched kickoff that the kicking team happened to recover?
Now try the same set up only the ball travels 20 yards.
Do it again for 30.
All of these would be legal plays right down to the opponents 1 yard line. There is no on-side kick, there are kickoffs where the ball is live after it hits the ground after travelling 10 yards.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:08 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
I don't think it's an either/or option. If this gets adopted, the kickoff is dead. Either the opposing team gets the ball at a certain spot if you don't choose to go for it (in the Pro Bowl, it's the 25) or all scores will result in the 4th and 15 play and you'll have the option to go for it or punt.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:10 pm to TDsngumbo
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They’d have the option to give the ball back to the opposition and have them start at the 25 yard line OR run one more play from its own 25 line and if they gain 15 yards, they keep the ball. Essentially it’s a 4th and 15 play
Oh frick that. If a teams losing towards the close of 60 minutes they dont deserve an increase in chances.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:11 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Of course they would.
Imagine if the kicker is kicking off, and he just flat mis-hits the ball. The ball then only travels 11 yards. Luckily, the gunner is on it and recovers. Is that an on-side kick, or just a botched kickoff that the kicking team happened to recover?
Now try the same set up only the ball travels 20 yards.
Do it again for 30.
All of these would be legal plays right down to the opponents 1 yard line. There is no on-side kick, there are kickoffs where the ball is live after it hits the ground after travelling 10 yards.
This would be dumb though. A game that's already so heavily skewed towards offenses gets even easier for them.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:20 pm to TDsngumbo
Stupid arse rule.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:24 pm to TH03
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This would be dumb though.
What would be dumb, the way the rules are currently written?
I'm not proposing anything, I'm telling you how it works. The ball is live after 10 yards on ANY kickoff currently. It's just that the closer to the kicking team, the better chance they have to recover it. That's why they line up in formations designed specifically to recover after 10 yards.
Under the current rules, a player on the kicking team may even recover a squib kick. Anything after 10 yards is fair game - whether it's 10.1 yards, or 64.9 yards.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:25 pm to bigjuice56
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If this gets adopted, the kickoff is dead.
Yeah, frick that.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:27 pm to TDsngumbo
They should just do the XFL scramble on the 25 and be done with it...
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:27 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Yeah, I understand the current rules.
Allowing teams to try this 15 yard play as well as being able to surprise onside kick much more easily gives the offenses even more of an advantage.
More offense and scoring = more happy casual fans. The NFL wants games to be more like the chiefs/Rams 85-79 game.
Allowing teams to try this 15 yard play as well as being able to surprise onside kick much more easily gives the offenses even more of an advantage.
More offense and scoring = more happy casual fans. The NFL wants games to be more like the chiefs/Rams 85-79 game.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:29 pm to TDsngumbo
oh cool.... the NFL found another way for the referees to take center stage in big moments...how exciting.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:31 pm to TDsngumbo
Don’t want. The onside kick is a unique and strategic part of the game.
What is with this incessant need the NFL has to fix what is not broken?
What is with this incessant need the NFL has to fix what is not broken?
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