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re: ND going deep in the playoffs may benefit us
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:17 am to MrSinnyman
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:17 am to MrSinnyman
And as you mentioned he could have promoted them here and won an NC last season. That's a mistake on Kelly's part. But its also a mistake on Kelly to allow the coach that just led the #1 offense in the nation and helped transform a Heisman QB to leave for a lateral position. You can't make an opposite argument for Baker vs Denbrock.
As a highly paid CEO it's your responsibility to identify your most valuable staff members and do everything you can to retain them. The defensive staff cost Kelly a championship. Then he thought Denbrock was completely replaceable with Sloan and he whiffed again
As a highly paid CEO it's your responsibility to identify your most valuable staff members and do everything you can to retain them. The defensive staff cost Kelly a championship. Then he thought Denbrock was completely replaceable with Sloan and he whiffed again
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Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:28 am to Yeti_Chaser
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And as you mentioned he could have promoted them here and won an NC last season. That's a mistake on Kelly's part. But its also a mistake on Kelly to allow the coach that just led the #1 offense in the nation and helped transform a Heisman QB to leave for a lateral position. You can't make an opposite argument for Baker vs Denbrock.
I think I addressed that. There’s nothing BK could do to keep Denbrock — unless he somehow relocated Louisiana State Univ to the north. Denbrock’s wife was home sick and didn’t want to be here. I mean, I’m not sure what else you think should be done there. And you have the ability if hindsight to say “bUH bUh hE shOuLd hAVe jUSt pRomOTeD tHeM!” The 2020 and 2021 defenses were abysmal, ranking in the bottom for just about every category. In what world (other than politics) can a person put up horrible numbers and retain their job or get promoted? Had he kept them and LSU’s defense was just as bad you’d be whining that he never should’ve kept them in the first place. Your hate for BK has clouded your vision. You can’t think rationally
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:41 am to MrSinnyman
None of those decisions were easy, I agree. But when you're one of the highest paid coaches in cfb you're expected to get those right. High pay comes with high expectations. He sees those guys at practice and sits in meetings with them. He should know they're true worth better than we do and it's his responsibility to identify that potential in his staff. If he doesn't want to be held accountable for missing out on difficult decisions then he shouldn't be paid so much.
And he didn't have to promote those guys. If he didn't want to promote Baker and Raymond, all would've been forgiven if he hired someone else competent besides House.
Same with Sloan. Idk if there was anything that could be done about Denbrock, but he definitely underestimated him when he thought Sloan could replace him so seamlessly. Denbrock was fantastic at adapting the offense to his players. We ran completely different offenses with Daniels vs Nuss and then we changed the offense again when Daniels began to improve as a passer. Sloan has shown no ability to adapt his offense at all.
And he didn't have to promote those guys. If he didn't want to promote Baker and Raymond, all would've been forgiven if he hired someone else competent besides House.
Same with Sloan. Idk if there was anything that could be done about Denbrock, but he definitely underestimated him when he thought Sloan could replace him so seamlessly. Denbrock was fantastic at adapting the offense to his players. We ran completely different offenses with Daniels vs Nuss and then we changed the offense again when Daniels began to improve as a passer. Sloan has shown no ability to adapt his offense at all.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:49 am to Yeti_Chaser
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But when you're one of the highest paid coaches in cfb you're expected to get those right. High pay comes with high expectations. He sees those guys at practice and sits in meetings with them. He should know they're true worth better than we do and it's his responsibility to identify that potential in his staff. If he doesn't want to be held accountable for missing out on difficult decisions then he shouldn't be paid so much.
Again, you’re looking at this with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. You’re looking at it after the fact and saying “well that was the wrong decision”. And how much you get paid doesn’t translate to having a crystal ball. Way too many variables. I could give countless examples. Like Michael Jordan’s HS coach that cut him from the team. We look back and say “OMG how stupid can you be?!” But that’s hindsight. You’re falling for the same thing here. Look at Bama and Saban’s replacement. The Gumps were ecstatic when they got DeBooger now they’re calling for his buyout. Hindsight. Show me the person that’s made the perfect call every single time in their job. I’ll wait.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:57 am to BigApple
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I’m more worried about BKs judgement. He said he left ND to go to a place that can win a National Championship. If ND wins this year, BK doesn’t know as much about fotbsall as I once thought
A lot of things have changed at Notre Dame and in CFB since BK left, and in ways, I think his departure woke them up.
They're more able to compete now but probably still not capable of winning a natty.
Without the playoff expansion, they're sitting at home right now because they lost to a MAC team.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:31 pm to MrSinnyman
Yes it is hindsight. It seems that where we disagree is that you don't think Kelly needs to gets these decisions right the first time. I understand they aren't easy calls but the standard for LSU is a coach who gets those calls correct. Again, it has already cost him one NC. Sloan has the chance to cost him another one next season. Maybe he sees something in Sloan that we don't, idk we'll see.
I'm not a coach O fan, but he recognized something in Ensminger. How many people would promote their TE coach to OC? That's a tough call that he made correctly. Same thing when he met a young offensive assistant at a Saints clinic named Joe Brady. That ability to recognize talent in your staff is key. So far Kelly has failed at that, but he has at least acknowledged his mistakes and attempted to correct them, at least with the defense
I'm not a coach O fan, but he recognized something in Ensminger. How many people would promote their TE coach to OC? That's a tough call that he made correctly. Same thing when he met a young offensive assistant at a Saints clinic named Joe Brady. That ability to recognize talent in your staff is key. So far Kelly has failed at that, but he has at least acknowledged his mistakes and attempted to correct them, at least with the defense
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:38 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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It seems that where we disagree is that you don't think Kelly needs to gets these decisions right the first time
No, I think Brian Kelly is human and makes mistakes. I think that every coach, I don’t care who he is, hasn’t made the right call every time. Another thing you just can’t seem to comprehend is that the COACHES aren’t the ones actually playing the game. The best coaches ever still have to have the players to execute. That explains why Saban didn’t win 17 straight NCs in his 17 years at Bama. Did he somehow suck one year and become amazing the next, then suck the following year? Or was the player makeup different?
You can’t put everything on the coach. End all be all. And Ensminger wasn’t a good OC. He had the benefit of some of the greatest players ever. Ensminger was so awesome that he’s coached for absolutely no one since leaving LSU haha. Should tell you everything you need to know about that.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:41 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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That ability to recognize talent in your staff is key. So far Kelly has failed at that,
So far he’s failed at what? Hahahahaha go Google Brian Kelly’s coaching tree and come back when you’re a bit more educated. LOL.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:47 pm to GeauxLSU4
What a strainge take.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:50 pm to MrSinnyman
I'm not gonna keep arguing with you because it seems we just have a fundamental disagreement about expectations for a HC at a program like LSU.
But this
The guy completely transformed our offense from the Les Miles years mid season with Danny fricking Etling. And then put up the greatest offense in cfb history (with some great players as you mentioned) and retired in his 60s.
But this
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Ensminger wasn’t a good OC. He had the benefit of some of the greatest players ever. Ensminger was so awesome that he’s coached for absolutely no one since leaving LSU haha.
The guy completely transformed our offense from the Les Miles years mid season with Danny fricking Etling. And then put up the greatest offense in cfb history (with some great players as you mentioned) and retired in his 60s.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 12:54 pm to Tigerstark
Klatt is a prisoner of the moment clown. He acts like Freeman took over a losing team. That was an 11-1 team, who just missed the 4 team playoff when CBK left. His job was to try and keep the train running. Which he has. He did not have take over a dumpster fire.
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Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:01 pm to Yeti_Chaser
Actually it was Joe Brady. Ensminger was interim OC in 2016, and official OC in 2018, unremarkable years. Joe Brady, coming from Saints under Sean Payton and with Drew Brees comes in and leads a historic prolific offense, winning the Broyles Award for best assistant coach (not Ensminger - Joe Brady, ya know the guy who works under Ensminger beat out his boss). Where does Joe Brady work today? Oh, that’d be OC for the Super Bowl favorite Bills and with MVP leading candidate Josh Allen. But yeah, tell me more how Ensminger is “the guy that did it” hahaha
Yes, we have fundamental disagreement on expectations for a HC. Mine are realistic yours are not.
Yes, we have fundamental disagreement on expectations for a HC. Mine are realistic yours are not.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:27 pm to MrSinnyman
And the Ohio State faithful want R. Day’s head right now. Sounds like they have a lot of fans similar to the ones on here-complete and total experts at every facet of the game. Listening to some of the people on here you would think that they were 22-0 in their career against Saban. I doubt most of the “experts “ on here could call the correct pass coverage or have a beggar’s chance of calling the correct offensive audible at the line. Yet, if anyone wants to know how to run a multi million dollar major college football program…….just ask the know-it-all geniuses on this site. No one on here has any idea what goes on behind the scenes with coaching staff, players, etc. In fact, if a journalist reports anything at all, most on here complain about how little the journalists actually know, but they know everything because they were drinking beer on their couch and figured it all out all by themselves.
Posted on 1/3/25 at 4:22 pm to That One
quote:come on, man. You can't cherry pick stats from one game.
ND offense is putrid and could only manage 14 points against Northern Illinois.
After NIU, the rest of the regular season ND scored:
66
28
31
49
31
51
52
35
49
49
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