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re: National media on JJ
Posted on 8/9/10 at 10:28 am to tduecen
Posted on 8/9/10 at 10:28 am to tduecen
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If Crowton would create the offense around what Jefferson is great at and quit putting him and others in situations they do not look comfortable in things should naturally improve.
I thought all that, about Crowton and J Lee.
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Posted on 8/9/10 at 10:29 am to TheDoc
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2008- "frick it"
best I've read yet.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 10:30 am to Baloo
quote:
Being a decent QB as a sophomore is usually considered a good thing, but he does have to build off of that.
As stated the biggest thing will be the OL. I personally thing he will thrive in PA and roll outs which will really only happen if we have a solid run game.
So if we can actually create and offense complementing his abilities I think he will really take off.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 10:33 am to Colonel Flagg
Good Lord, i want the OL to be legit just so I can see the ridiculous talent we have in the backfield get loose.
with a good O-line think of the Wildcat with shep, ford, and murphy in the same backfield.
there's no fricking stopping that.
with a good O-line think of the Wildcat with shep, ford, and murphy in the same backfield.
there's no fricking stopping that.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 10:36 am to Tiger Ryno
quote:
Ole Piss last year
Had a decent game
Especially in the second half.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 10:37 am to Prominentwon
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Prominentwon
Posted on 8/9/10 at 10:41 am to ottothewise
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I thought all that, about Crowton and J Lee.
Well there was no way to really build an offense around Jefferson since the OL was garbage last year.
Outside of not making Lee run the option he had everything he needed in an offense. In 2008 Lee had great WRs and a solid run game.
I feel like JL did get fricked over by not having a year as the back up(
RP), but you just can't turn the ball over as much as he did. I do like him as a great back up option. I think we have one of the best if not the best depth charts in the conference.This post was edited on 8/9/10 at 10:44 am
Posted on 8/9/10 at 10:42 am to Colonel Flagg
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Outside of not making Lee run the option he had everything he needed in an offense. In 2008 Lee had great WRs and a solid run game.
Still had piss poor playcalling, however.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 10:55 am to Colonel Flagg
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He definitely doesn't deserve the criticism he has received from our fanbase
Unfortunately, this is a given regardless of how well our QB's perform...always has been that way. I am just bothered by the national media piling on him.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 10:56 am to Dobermann
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FTR, I think JJ shuts some critics up this season. If all this criticism doesn't motivate him to improve, nothing will.
Like it or not, they are basing their evaluation on data-in-hand, whereas you are asserting and hoping that he will be better due to some combination of the following: 1) being one year older, 2) having a better oline or 3) getting better coaching.
If you are predicting that one more of these will occur in 2010, then just say so.
Otherwise, what the media is saying has full merit, because JJ did not show any progress during the course of 2009 (and actually got poorer as the year progressed), so the resulting sentiment is that his learning curve is too slow or zero, thus the poor prognostication on his 2010 performance by the "national media". The very poor spring game performance, which he gets no better than a grade of "D" for, made the prediction all the more warranted.
BTW, I do agree with your prediction that he will improve, but other than "homerism" and my emotions speaking because I want the Tigers to do well, and for JJ to do well, there really is no data-in-hand to base that on, it is purely a hunch or an assertion that the 3 above-listed factors, combined with in my view better and more fitting running backs for the offense, will offer enough in his favor to show on the field to the positive.
The question is will it be enough to allow him to make the offense zoom...None of us know that one, but we can all play prognosticator!
This post was edited on 8/9/10 at 11:06 am
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:05 am to therocketscientist
Only an idiot would place blame on JJ for the offense last season. He had a shitty OL.
You put Jeferson as the starter for Bama last season and he would have led them to a NC. He is getting piled on because of others' inadequacies.
You put Jeferson as the starter for Bama last season and he would have led them to a NC. He is getting piled on because of others' inadequacies.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:06 am to therocketscientist
the offense was a mess with miles and crowton making calls........a lot of controversy and no consistency in play calling. the kids seem to be excited that gonzales will be very involved in the play calling. i believe miles will stay out of it.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:06 am to Dobermann
Why you gotta bring Danielson in this argument?
Gary will tell you like it is in a completely unbiased view. Gary Danielson is one of the best color guys in all of sports. If only they'd get rid of Verne, the games would be that much more enjoyable when I'm not there...
Gary will tell you like it is in a completely unbiased view. Gary Danielson is one of the best color guys in all of sports. If only they'd get rid of Verne, the games would be that much more enjoyable when I'm not there...
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:07 am to therocketscientist
quote:
Like it or not, they are basing their evaluation on data-in-hand
Objective evidence shows that Jefferson was a better than average QB in 2009.
#38 in the NCAA in Passer Rating
#33 in completion percentage
#67 in yards
#53 in yards per attempt
#46 in TDs
#82 in Int (Reverse order, so it's actually #38)
#8 in Sacks (Reverse order, so it's actually #112)
So, he's in the top 1/3 of all QBs in:
Passer Rating
Completion Pecentage
Interceptions
And he's in the top 1/2 of all QBs in:
Yards per attempt
Touchdowns
He's just under the halfway mark in:
Total yards
And he's near the bottom in:
Sacks
Obviously sacks are a huge problem. But, it's clear on "data-in-hand" that Jefferson is a better than average QB.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:12 am to therocketscientist
quote:
None of us know that one, but we can all play prognosticator!
Well in his first two starts at QB(in 2008) the offense scored 30 and 38 points. That team actually had a rushing attack and he has become a very accurate QB over the last season.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:21 am to Colonel Flagg
This what an unbalanced offense looks like. The four biggest football games in 2009 (all LSU loses):
Florida
Passing: 11/17, 96 yards, no TDs
Rushing: 30 carries for 66 yards, no TDs
Alabama
Passing: 14/27, 158 yards, 1 TD
Jefferson - 10/17, 114 yards, 1 TD
Lee - 4/10, 44 yards, 0 TDs
Rushing: 29 carries for 95 yards.
Ole Miss
Passing: 19/37, 250 yards, 2 TDs
Rushing: 27 carries for 40 yards
Penn State
Passing: 18/35, 202 yards, 1 TD
Rushing: 25 carries for 41 yards
Florida
Passing: 11/17, 96 yards, no TDs
Rushing: 30 carries for 66 yards, no TDs
Alabama
Passing: 14/27, 158 yards, 1 TD
Jefferson - 10/17, 114 yards, 1 TD
Lee - 4/10, 44 yards, 0 TDs
Rushing: 29 carries for 95 yards.
Ole Miss
Passing: 19/37, 250 yards, 2 TDs
Rushing: 27 carries for 40 yards
Penn State
Passing: 18/35, 202 yards, 1 TD
Rushing: 25 carries for 41 yards
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:24 am to Antonio Moss
frick the national media
LSU will turn some heads this season; and and it starts when UNC gets to experience a good old fashioned LSU / SEC type football beatdown in hot-lanta! 
LSU will turn some heads this season; and and it starts when UNC gets to experience a good old fashioned LSU / SEC type football beatdown in hot-lanta!
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:30 am to TheDoc
quote:FIFY
Philosophies of 2008, 2009 and 2010:
2008- "frick it"
2009 - "don't frick up"
2010 - "make a frickin' play"
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:32 am to Dobermann
quote:+1
FTR, I think JJ shuts some critics up this season. If all this criticism doesn't motivate him to improve, nothing will.
Posted on 8/9/10 at 11:51 am to Dobermann
quote:If he will just throw the ball and read defenses, he won't have to worry about anyone critiquing him.
I guess we can all prepare for season of Gary Danielson enlightening us on everything JJ is doing wrong.
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