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re: Mulkey is a possibility

Posted on 3/22/11 at 12:25 pm to
Posted by lsualum96
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Nov 2005
3110 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 12:25 pm to
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portions of my "donations" may actually go toward paying this particular head coach, therefore it would be technically part of mine to waste or not to waste. Im sure I could make a call, like any of us, and state that I will pull donations if something is done that I don't agree with but like you, I would think no one at LSU would care. Not that I would go that far anyway. But I really dislike that whole "it's not your money" bs argument. If I donate 10 cents than through 18 degrees of separation it kinda is "my money"


Well technically, this is true. But technically, what they'd probably tell you is keep your money if it means that you would withhold if they decided to pay big money to a women's coach. Unless you're one of the "more prominent" benefactors, they probably would care less.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9726 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 12:52 pm to
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I'm all for LSU women's basketball being good, but IMO there is no reason to hire a "big name" women's coach and spend a lot of money. our women's program can do just fine hiring a young cheap coach. No reason to spend a lot of money on a woman's coach and be strapped to keep a football coordinator in the future because of a million dollar buyout for example.

That's like a blind person spending $50,000 on a new car


Joe Dean, is that you? Why not claw back some money from Trent while we are at it due to MBB declining attendance/revenue.
Posted by Chuck U Farley
The 318
Member since Oct 2007
8994 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 12:57 pm to
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Mulkey is in a great position to win a couple of National Championships over the next two yrs or so and build a Nat'l Program. She's bullet proof at Baylor and has built a great foundation.
Why would she leave that to go to LSU?


I agree with alot of this, the turnover at LSU would scare me if I were her. She can pretty much coach the rest of her career in Waco if she so chooses. The fact that she may be considering this move is a sign that LSU may have more to offer than we recognize. Even if this is a ploy to up her current salary
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12513 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 1:02 pm to
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portions of my "donations" may actually go toward paying this particular head coach, therefore it would be technically part of mine to waste or not to waste.
Then you do not understand the term "donation". A donation is when you give money away; ergo, it is no longer YOUR money. If you are only giving the money in exchange for something of value (like, say, the privilege or power to influence the hiring of a new coach), then it is not a "donation", but a "purchase." Which of course makes you no longer a "donor" or a "supporter", but merely a "customer."

Posted by lsualum96
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Nov 2005
3110 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 1:16 pm to
Wow Joey....................good point. I had to laugh at that one!
Posted by Chuck U Farley
The 318
Member since Oct 2007
8994 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 1:30 pm to
King Joey with tha "BOOM STAMP"
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26581 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 2:38 pm to
I will by no means be angry or upset if they pay $1 million for a women's basketball coach like Mulkey, I just don't believe it's necessary.

That said, I'm not the boss... Joe Alleva is. And just like Les Miles wants to win more than any fan out there, Joe Alleva wants to increase LSU's stature and revenue more than anyone else out there, so if he thinks it's a smart move, then who am I to criticize?

Personally, I just don't think you're getting much bang for your buck with women's basketball in general, and while I cetainly am not in favor of eliminating sports that run a deficit or barely make a profit, I also don't believe it's necessary to sink tons of money into them just to get a big name and/or help LSU's brand. Just my personal opinion, but I'm sure whatever Alleva decides to do will come from the position of trying to improve LSU athletics, so it's hard to really criticize decisions that are coming from a good place. Those thoughts aside:

-We know, winning football leads to significantly increased revenue.

-We know, winning men's basketball leads to significantly increased revenue

-We know (from our 5 consecutive Final 4's), winning in women's basketball DOES NOT lead to significantly increased revenue.

All that said, maybe those in power believe that LSU can become a Uconn or Tennessee and see substantial revenue increases with a winning women's basketball team. I just don't think that can happen at LSU (I used to think it was possible, but I don't believe that anymore), and I believe we have enough evidence now to assume that LSU will never have the following in women's basketball as those aforementioned schools.
This post was edited on 3/22/11 at 2:51 pm
Posted by windriver
West Monroe/San Diego
Member since Mar 2006
8656 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 2:48 pm to
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Neither women's or men's basketball is ever going to pack the arena here whether we have final four teams or not.


Evidently you were not around to see the 1980-81 season.
Posted by lsualum96
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Nov 2005
3110 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 3:55 pm to
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Evidently you were not around to see the 1980-81 season.


Please tell me you didn't just go back 30 years.

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Personally, I just don't think you're getting much bang for your buck with women's basketball in general, and while I cetainly am not in favor of eliminating sports that run a deficit or barely make a profit, I also don't believe it's necessary to sink tons of money into them just to get a big name and/or help LSU's brand. Just my personal opinion, but I'm sure whatever Alleva decides to do will come from the position of trying to improve LSU athletics, so it's hard to really criticize decisions that are coming from a good place. Those thoughts aside: -We know, winning football leads to significantly increased revenue. -We know, winning men's basketball leads to significantly increased revenue -We know (from our 5 consecutive Final 4's), winning in women's basketball DOES NOT lead to significantly increased revenue. All that said, maybe those in power believe that LSU can become a Uconn or Tennessee and see substantial revenue increases with a winning women's basketball team. I just don't think that can happen at LSU (I used to think it was possible, but I don't believe that anymore), and I believe we have enough evidence now to assume that LSU will never have the following in women's basketball as those aforementioned schools.


Well, like King Joey illustrated, there are more benefits to having good sports programs than "revenue". Let's face it, LSU generates over $110 million dollars in revenue from sports per year. Football contributes somewhere close to $45 million of that while men's basketball contributes somewhere around $1.5 million. That's not really a "significant" increase in revenue. So really football is the engine that drives the train.

Whether LSU can become a Tennessee or UConn is hard to say. But trust me, there were folks who said that where Tennessee is today wasn't possible. The fact is, it IS possible. But you have to have a high level of success sustained over many years. Although LSU women's basketball didn't consistently draw the numbers those other programs do, they were steadily increasing in attendance up to around the time Pokey left............and had a number of games that drew over 10,000 fans. So, it CLEAR that the fanbase is there. But to get them to the level of Tennessee or UConn fans, as far as enthusiasm, would probably take as long as it took THOSE two programs to get there...............which for Tennessee is probably close to 10-15 years.
This post was edited on 3/22/11 at 4:02 pm
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
128114 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 3:59 pm to
I was not even born at that time.
Posted by AlejandroInHouston
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2007
18776 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 4:01 pm to
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Neither women's or men's basketball is ever going to pack the arena here whether we have final four teams or no


Bullfeathers. Men's basketball would pack the arena in this era. It's unfair to use the Shaq/Chris Jackson era as an example - that was a different generation and was long before the NCAA tournament became the national obsession it now is.
Posted by lsualum96
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Nov 2005
3110 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 4:40 pm to
Proof?

Also, are you talking about packing the arena for EVERY game, or are you talking about packing it for ust big or important games? If it's the former I call BS. If it's the latter I'd say, yes definitely. But the same could also be said for the women's games.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12513 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 4:56 pm to
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Men's basketball would pack the arena in this era.
Our last Final Four team didn't crack 10k attendance. The year after did by 2. Trent's first year we won the SEC and pulled 10,373 -- the best attendance figures since Stro & Co.'s SEC Championship run over a decade ago. And nowhere near "packing" the arena.
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It's unfair to use the Shaq/Chris Jackson era as an example - that was a different generation and was long before the NCAA tournament became the national obsession it now is.
That era consists of the 2nd, 3rd and 5th greatest attendance seasons in the history of the PMAC. Dale and stars like Shaq and CJ attracted a lot more fans than SEC Championships and Final Four teams do nowadays.

Posted by DaSaltyTiger
Alexandria/Pineville, LA area
Member since Dec 2004
4689 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 5:22 pm to
Let her stay at Baylor. She's overpriced and not even that decent to look at anymore. We could probably find someone who is up and coming, costs less, and eager to make a name for themselves by making a successful program.
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
14998 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 7:17 pm to
I Mulkey came I would attend the games
Posted by Chuck U Farley
The 318
Member since Oct 2007
8994 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 8:26 pm to
Sure thing, I'll tell her no dice.
Posted by lsualum96
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Nov 2005
3110 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 8:30 pm to
Anyone who might've caught the Louisville vs Xavier game tonight will see why Jeff Walz would be the perfect choice for the next coach at LSU.....

# 7 Louisville 85, #2 Xavier 75
Posted by 4everfightintiger
The land of milk and honey
Member since Jan 2007
324 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 8:58 pm to
I like Gestnkors. She is struggling at Texas, but recruits and play against in state rivals A&M, Baylor and Texas Tech. I think she is a great coach and possibly be interested in being the only state school.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 9:00 pm to
Who's next? Pat Summit? Phil Jackson?
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
72735 posts
Posted on 3/22/11 at 9:25 pm to
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I like Gestnkors. She is struggling at Texas, but recruits and play against in state rivals A&M, Baylor and Texas Tech


Texas has more resources than all three of those so her struggling against them isn't a good sign. She also makes over a million like Mulkey so again she's not a likely choice.
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