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re: Moscona's rant on the playoff committee (with link)

Posted on 12/5/19 at 6:45 am to
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13735 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 6:45 am to
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School - w% - ow% oow%
tOSU 1.000 .621 .549
LSU 1.000 .553 .551

The vast majority of ranking systems favor tOSU because of the figure above. Didn’t listen to the entire Moscona piece (I checked out after two minutes of him telling us how he didn’t want to get mad but he was going to anyway), but does he even refer to this fact? If not, he’s ill-informed and comes across as lazy.


His main criticism is how the committee is counting Cincinnati as a quality top 25 win. He basically said the committee is telling schools it’s better to schedule a team like Cincy at home and beat them by 40 than to go to a power 5 school like Texas in week 2 and get in a dog fight. He’s not wrong about that. Texas isn’t having a great year but I bet they would still beat Cincinnati.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52127 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 6:46 am to
Awesome rant.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
56553 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 6:50 am to
I heard it yesterday while I was cutting grass and I agree with him on a good amount of what he is taking about but the clamoring for more teams in a playoff is baffling to me. What IS and HAS BEEN wrong with college football is the regular season, not the post season. The regular season has not been addressed enough in regards to scheduling and conference inequality among power 5 and requirements for group of 5 schools to be in consideration for playoff discussion. The notion of expanding a playoff to more teams doesn't address any of that...it only expands it. It says, "well, we have a broke system so to fix it we're going to use that broke system more." That makes ZERO sense. The issues wasn't that we only selected TWO teams for the BCS and it's not that we select FOUR teams for the CFB playoff. It's HOW we select those teams and the sample sizes we are given to select them because of the disparity between conferences and teams within a conference. Some power 5 conferences play 9 conf games, others play 8. Some power 5 schools play more FCS schools than others. Some power 5 schools have permanent cross division opponents and others do not, etc etc etc. College football NEEDS more cross conference competition and it needs group of 5 schools to play on the road against power 5 schools. I have been saying this for 20+ years and when everyone was jumping up and down for a playoff, this is exactly what I said was going to happen and if a playoff is expanded without addressing he real issues, I can promise you...it won't be any better. It may be bigger and it may make more $ and it may be different, but it won't be any better. People wanted a playoff. The media wanted it. The conferences wanted it. The presidents wanted it. This was never about fixing anything it was about making more money. Congrats, here's your playoff.
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 6:52 am
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
Hub City
Member since Nov 2006
17342 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 6:52 am to
His show blows now, but this was a good take
Posted by Croozin2
Somewhere on the water
Member since Dec 2004
3342 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 6:54 am to
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when he first came on he was absurdly childish and juvenile


TB is still that way. Dude loves the sound of his own voice. I don’t “hate” anyone but he forces me to change the station more often than not.
Posted by xiv
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Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 6:54 am to
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the committee is counting Cincinnati as a quality top 25 win
The reason that this is happening is because Cincinnati is one of the 25 best teams in the country, and tOSU beat them by 42.
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the committee is telling schools it’s better to schedule a team like Cincy at home and beat them by 40 than to go to a power 5 school like Texas in week 2 and get in a dog fight.
It’s WAY better to beat 2019 Cincinnati by 42 at home than it is to beat Texas in Austin by 7. You have to be incredibly insane not to see that.

The fact that LSU’s strongest OOC opponent didn’t pan out isn’t the rest of the world’s problem. Furthermore, LSU is the one who scheduled the FCS school, and they’re #2, so criticizing tOSU’s in-state scheduling is insane. The idea that the committee is rewarding tOSU for scheduling weak and punishing LSU for scheduling strong is very dumb.
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 7:03 am
Posted by 3rdPart Tiger
Member since Oct 2007
6581 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:18 am to
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The fact that LSU’s strongest OOC opponent didn’t pan out isn’t the rest of the world’s problem.


quote:

Baylor's 24-10 win over Texas saw it surge from No. 14 to No. 9.


Explain why LSU’s victory over UT isn’t a quality win for LSU, but it is for Baylor.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
20593 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:19 am to
And them hotel people in NOLA want an out of state team in the championship not LSU .............
ALL about $$. Rigged system in every facet and we see it becoming more and more blatant and open.
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 10:18 am
Posted by xiv
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Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:19 am to
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Explain why LSU’s victory over UT isn’t a quality win for LSU, but it is for Baylor.
It isn’t.

ETA: The difference between 1&2 can be bigger than the difference between 9&14. Just checked my rankings, and that happens to be the case for me as we speak.
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 7:22 am
Posted by FlaFlash
Member since Dec 2019
234 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:22 am to
This fkwad is trolling. Don't play his game. No one without an agenda can look at cinncis schedule and results and say they are good. Texas would be a 7-10 pt favorite over them, even with all their injuries.
Posted by xiv
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Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:29 am to
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This fkwad is trolling. Don't play his game. No one without an agenda can look at cinncis schedule and results and say they are good. Texas would be a 7-10 pt favorite over them, even with all their injuries.
Quiet, amateur. Just because you can’t math doesn’t make the expert typing this sentence a troll.

Texas didn’t meet expectations, so the LSU win over them is less impressive than projected. Cincinnati is better than expected (though FPI of all things predicted this), so tOSU’s win over them helps them more than might have been expected.

You’ve been shown the comprehensive math. If you don’t understand it, that’s you being dim, not me being a troll.
Posted by revenger42
Member since Oct 2019
101 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:29 am to
He definitely loves Alabama too much. Other than that I like his show.
Posted by 3rdPart Tiger
Member since Oct 2007
6581 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:39 am to
You must be on the committee.

It makes no sense to bump Baylor for beating Texas, but in the same sentence saying it doesn’t benefit LSU.

That inconsistency is what Scone was ranting about.
Posted by caliegeaux
Booo Cheeeen
Member since Aug 2004
12213 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:45 am to
agreed 100%.

I recall being excited when the playoff push was coming. Thinking, the BCS formula, top 4 teams, make it happen. Then they announced it would be determined by a committee. I mean, you'd have to bring in people completely oblivious to sports for them to have an unbiased opinion on it. What a complete disaster it is to have a committee.

Old school BCS formula, with SOS built in, all algorithms and metrics published, so no biases or scheming can go on behind closed doors. Play the season, spit out the numbers, generate a top 4, and there's nothing to discuss. Its transparent and unbiased. But that makes too much sense.
Posted by jcollins9
Member since Nov 2011
86 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:53 am to
So you decided you didn't want to finish listening to the segment, but also decided that HE comes a cross as lazy for not knowing something you didn't take the time to listen to?

Makes sense....
Posted by sosaysmorvant
River Parishes, LA
Member since Feb 2008
1458 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:56 am to
Why isn't the national media latching onto this? It's clear cut bias IMO. Great rant.....he really laid it out.

I like the comparisons of Michigan and Bama the most. Unless there's an obvious objective, no way Bama drops that far in any other scenario.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:57 am to
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It makes no sense to bump Baylor for beating Texas, but in the same sentence saying it doesn’t benefit LSU.

I just explained it. Here’s another explanation. Hypothetical power ratings:

1. tOSU 1000
2. LSU 975
3. Clemson 950
4. Georgia 900
5. Utah 890
6. Oklahoma 885
7. Alabama 870
8. Wisconsin 865
9. Penn State 860
10. Florida 859
11. Oregon 857
12. Auburn 856
13. Cincinnati 855
14. Baylor 837

Let’s say that LSU and Baylor each somehow get a win over Texas and that Texas win is worth 24 power points.

See now?
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:58 am to
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So you decided you didn't want to finish listening to the segment, but also decided that HE comes a cross as lazy for not knowing something you didn't take the time to listen to?
He’s getting paid. I provide my genius content here for free. So yes.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
88542 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 7:58 am to
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Just because you can’t math
quote:

xiv


Did you figure out how to add yet, or are you permanently switching to only posting percentages so your errors don't stand out?
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6686 posts
Posted on 12/5/19 at 8:03 am to
I agree with him on everything, except for the part where he again tried to make expanding the playoffs the answer.

Is LSU not currently in the top 4? Yes, they're in it. But the argument is about seeding, and how the heck is OSU ahead of LSU. I agree, and have been on that case just like everyone else around here.

So if we expand the playoff, what changes? We're still going to have a committee deciding it. We're still going to be dealing with whatever biases they might have. And if you go to, say, eight teams, all that means is teams 9 through 12, or however many, will complain that THEY were unfairly left out.

This is about the 100th time I'll be making this point: This isn't the NFL. You don't have a limited number of teams, and teams who are all playing the same level of competition, where you just take the division winners, and the teams with the best records. It's college. There are around 120 division 1 teams, and 10 conferences. Conferences which are not equal in strength. That means there will always be subjectivity in the selection process.

The problem is that this committee is not qualified to do this job. It will never be perfect. It simply can't be. But this 13 member panel, as Moscona highlighted, is an absolute circus.
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