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re: Moscona compares - Nice try but a couple of comical errors
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:01 pm to Makinbacon
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:01 pm to Makinbacon
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quote: Lee was the most efficient quarterback in the SEC before being benched when Jefferson returned from suspension.
Stopped reading this moron's piece right here. What a dishonest or uninformed tub of shite.
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What's his dishonesty regarding Lee's 2011 effic rating? Its apparent Matt M banged your sister or gf, but my goodness guy, don't go full tard on us.
Actually his dishonesty, or being uninformed, as I don't know which he is displaying because I don't know the dude that wrote this "article", was regarding his statement that Lee was "benched when Jefferson returned from suspension".
Jefferson returned from suspension for Game 5, and only attempted 10 passes before he started his first game of the season in Game 10.
I made no comment regarding the QB play in 2011, or comparison to the 2016 QB play, merely pointed out a clear bias or error in his very first position breakdown, which made it clear to me that I would gain nothing by reading any further.
So I'll allow you to return to going full tard while jerking off to pics of Matt M, whoever the hell he is, banging your sister or gf
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 12:06 pm
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:32 pm to Penrod
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He wasn't benched for JJ because he sucked?
Actually no, he wasn't. Miles had an inexplicable hard on for JJ and worked him back into the offense as soon as his suspension was over. Lee had two bad passes back to back and never saw the field again except to take a knee against UGA. Two bad oases doesn't mean he sucked all year.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:53 pm to Penrod
Moscona's whole shtick is based upon provoking people to call in to his show to say that he's wrong, that he's an idiot.
He is an idiot with the sports knowledge of my mother-in-law. The only reason most listen to him is that there is no better option on the drive home from work, unfortunately.
He is an idiot with the sports knowledge of my mother-in-law. The only reason most listen to him is that there is no better option on the drive home from work, unfortunately.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:53 pm to Clark W Griswold
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We don't have a DT who is a top round pick and both in 2011 start in the NFL. Yet he gives the edge to 2016 because they are older?!?
Davon Godchaux still plays for us right? He's ranked anywhere from the #2-#6 DT in the nation... And LaCouture is the 8th ranked. LaCouture probably won't be a first rounder, but don't count out Davon.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:05 pm to Oddibe
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Why don't we wait till the 2016 season is over before we start comparing them to 2011.
Bc it's the offseason and why not
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:17 pm to Penrod
From the same guy who said "Ain't no way Alabama's beating this team in the Dome..."
Okay.
Okay.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:21 pm to ToxicTiger
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Moscona's whole shtick is based upon provoking people to call in to his show to say that he's wrong, that he's an idiot.
He is an idiot with the sports knowledge of my mother-in-law. The only reason most listen to him is that there is no better option on the drive home from work, unfortunately.
^^^^^^ This guy gets it ^^^^^^
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:22 pm to Addison Tiger
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QUARTERBACK 2011: Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson 2016: Brandon Harris Edge: 2011
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Stopped there. He needs to fix his brain.
Isn't that where they just say: "Pick 'em"?
Posted on 6/4/16 at 1:41 pm to biglego
For one thing, the 2011 team was a finished product, season completed. We don't even know for sure who will be in the starting lineup on September 3rd for the 2016 team. The hot summer months of off field issues have not passed yet.
I personally don't like comparing past performances vs future expectations.
I personally don't like comparing past performances vs future expectations.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 2:36 pm to Oddibe
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Moscona compares - Nice try but a couple of comical errors by Oddibe
For one thing, the 2011 team was a finished product, season completed. We don't even know for sure who will be in the starting lineup on September 3rd for the 2016 team. The hot summer months of off field issues have not passed yet
All true. But this is just a meaningless message board conversation to pass the time during the offseason. It doesn't have to make sense.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 4:50 pm to Clark W Griswold
Godchaux future 1st round pick
Posted on 6/4/16 at 5:19 pm to LNCHBOX
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Actually no, he wasn't. Miles had an inexplicable hard on for JJ and worked him back into the offense as soon as his suspension was over. Lee had two bad passes back to back and never saw the field again except to take a knee against UGA. Two bad oases doesn't mean he sucked all year.
This. This. This.
Lee was a very effective QB for that team. I am normally a Miles supporter, but his inexplicable double standard for Lee and Jefferson was inexcusable.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 5:37 pm to Penrod
Make the comparisons after the season.
As for now, I say it's pretty even. Two great teams.
As for now, I say it's pretty even. Two great teams.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 5:40 pm to TigersforEver
Lee was a flawed QB that came in and played better than expectated against defenses that had little film on him. Once defenses saw a few games and took away a few routes and had no worry of him scrambling he was exposed.
JJ was a winner and played his best in the biggest games. His scrambling ability was way underrated and he completed a few huge throws when it counted the most.He gave LSU its best chance to win against the better defenses and won some huge games for LSU while protecting the ball and being able to handle adversity.
Lee was undrafted,couldnt scramble and had some of the worst games ever by a LSU QB.
JJ was a winner and played his best in the biggest games. His scrambling ability was way underrated and he completed a few huge throws when it counted the most.He gave LSU its best chance to win against the better defenses and won some huge games for LSU while protecting the ball and being able to handle adversity.
Lee was undrafted,couldnt scramble and had some of the worst games ever by a LSU QB.
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 6/4/16 at 5:44 pm to LSUANDY25
quote:Wanna know how I know you're really stupid?
JJ was a winner and played his best in the biggest games.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:16 pm to Catman88
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Before Alabama game Lee was one of the top qbs in the country. Harris was bad last year and is still unproven.
This is hilarious.
Harris was like #2 in the SEC in efficiency and had 0 turnovers before the Alabama game.
barring another injury, he's going to blow your mind this year.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:29 pm to Penrod
Here is the problem that I scream til I'm blue in the face, people (seems just about everybody but me) keep literally comparing the 2011 squad and what they did in 2011 to the preseason 2016 squad.
How about we actually compare how both of these squads were perceived before the season? IMO, the only squad preseason 2011 had over preseason 2016 was the secondary.
Special Teams
We had just lost an All American elite KR/PR in Patrick Peterson. The place kicking game had lost the best place kicker in LSU history in Josh Jasper. He led the nation in FGs made in 2010, owned the LSU record for FG% and was a consensus All American. Jasper was also the Kickoff specialist and we lost our punter. We pretty much had an entire new unit outside of some of the actual guys who block and are gunners on special teams in 2011. So for now, I'd say we are only better because we bring back experience, but that experience is pretty pathetic on all accounts, well except for Guice in the back half of the year as a KR.
Defensive Line
Who was Brockers, or Logan, or Mingo, or Montgomery (who actually did the most of that group in 2010 before being injured), before 2011? Does anybody realize that we lost All American Drake Nevis after 2010? We lost 3 starters of that line and they were replaced by 2 first year starting DTs (one who barely got any playtime before that year), and a DE that had a season ending injury the year before as a redshirt freshman.
Linebackers
What about LBs? We lost 1st team All SEC MLB Sheppard and we mostly just used 2 LBs in Minter (1st year starter) and Baker (meh senior starter with a year of experience).
Offensive Line
The 2011 OL starting unit doesn't compare to this one.
Running Backs/Full Backs
The 2011 RBs are way WAY behind the 8 ball compared to the 2016 unit. Coming into 2011 Ford, Ware, and Blue had barely even played and Hilliard was a true freshman. Even what they did in 2011 doesn't hold a match to what the RBs did just last year behind an blocking unit, at times, with 3 freshman on the OL (2 true freshmen), a true freshman TE (Moreau) and a true freshman FB (who played receiving TE in high school). There is no debate at all here. Yes our full backs are also better going into this year than 2011. Neither of the 2011 guys had played much, if ever, before that year.
Wide Receivers/TEs
Again, no debate. Take off your future glasses and realize that going into 2011 we had two experienced WRs and neither came close to the stat lines of Dupre and Dural. Dural has started for 2 years and Dupre has started over a year and a half. Dupre has the most TDs and 2nd most receiving yards and receptions of any LSU WR going into their junior year, since Michael Clayton. Dural is the most experienced WR we've had going into his senior year since Brandon LaFell (the top guys have left after junior years recently). Billy Johnson has more experience than Beckham had (none). We had Russell Shepard as our #2 coming into 2011 for goodness sake. Of course Beckham took his spot, regulating him to a slot position. I'd take our TEs blocking and potential for receiving over what we had in 2011 just with Deangelo and Clement.
Quarterbacks
I would have originally said 2011 if Jefferson had improved on his very underrated 2009 campaign and did well in 2010, but he didn't. Both QBs coming into 2011 were worse compared to how bad Harris was just in the final 4 regular season games last year. I just see Harris being better because he will have better coaching and won't be forced into a running QB like Jefferson was and doesn't throw interceptions like JL did. Everybody needs to realize that at best, both QBs were game managers in 2011. That should be the floor for Harris in 2011. I'd say Harris has much more going for him and the offense going forward in 2016.
Even though Coker was a game manager for Alabama most of last year, he became a playmaker when it mattered most (especially vs Tennessee and the last 2 games). He also dealt with a lot of inexperience at the receiver position.
How about we actually compare how both of these squads were perceived before the season? IMO, the only squad preseason 2011 had over preseason 2016 was the secondary.
Special Teams
We had just lost an All American elite KR/PR in Patrick Peterson. The place kicking game had lost the best place kicker in LSU history in Josh Jasper. He led the nation in FGs made in 2010, owned the LSU record for FG% and was a consensus All American. Jasper was also the Kickoff specialist and we lost our punter. We pretty much had an entire new unit outside of some of the actual guys who block and are gunners on special teams in 2011. So for now, I'd say we are only better because we bring back experience, but that experience is pretty pathetic on all accounts, well except for Guice in the back half of the year as a KR.
Defensive Line
Who was Brockers, or Logan, or Mingo, or Montgomery (who actually did the most of that group in 2010 before being injured), before 2011? Does anybody realize that we lost All American Drake Nevis after 2010? We lost 3 starters of that line and they were replaced by 2 first year starting DTs (one who barely got any playtime before that year), and a DE that had a season ending injury the year before as a redshirt freshman.
Linebackers
What about LBs? We lost 1st team All SEC MLB Sheppard and we mostly just used 2 LBs in Minter (1st year starter) and Baker (meh senior starter with a year of experience).
Offensive Line
The 2011 OL starting unit doesn't compare to this one.
Running Backs/Full Backs
The 2011 RBs are way WAY behind the 8 ball compared to the 2016 unit. Coming into 2011 Ford, Ware, and Blue had barely even played and Hilliard was a true freshman. Even what they did in 2011 doesn't hold a match to what the RBs did just last year behind an blocking unit, at times, with 3 freshman on the OL (2 true freshmen), a true freshman TE (Moreau) and a true freshman FB (who played receiving TE in high school). There is no debate at all here. Yes our full backs are also better going into this year than 2011. Neither of the 2011 guys had played much, if ever, before that year.
Wide Receivers/TEs
Again, no debate. Take off your future glasses and realize that going into 2011 we had two experienced WRs and neither came close to the stat lines of Dupre and Dural. Dural has started for 2 years and Dupre has started over a year and a half. Dupre has the most TDs and 2nd most receiving yards and receptions of any LSU WR going into their junior year, since Michael Clayton. Dural is the most experienced WR we've had going into his senior year since Brandon LaFell (the top guys have left after junior years recently). Billy Johnson has more experience than Beckham had (none). We had Russell Shepard as our #2 coming into 2011 for goodness sake. Of course Beckham took his spot, regulating him to a slot position. I'd take our TEs blocking and potential for receiving over what we had in 2011 just with Deangelo and Clement.
Quarterbacks
I would have originally said 2011 if Jefferson had improved on his very underrated 2009 campaign and did well in 2010, but he didn't. Both QBs coming into 2011 were worse compared to how bad Harris was just in the final 4 regular season games last year. I just see Harris being better because he will have better coaching and won't be forced into a running QB like Jefferson was and doesn't throw interceptions like JL did. Everybody needs to realize that at best, both QBs were game managers in 2011. That should be the floor for Harris in 2011. I'd say Harris has much more going for him and the offense going forward in 2016.
Even though Coker was a game manager for Alabama most of last year, he became a playmaker when it mattered most (especially vs Tennessee and the last 2 games). He also dealt with a lot of inexperience at the receiver position.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:02 pm to Carville
quote:All in for Harris, but both 2011 QBs had better RAT than Harris '15.
Wanna know how I know you're really stupid?
Facts is facts.
Posted on 6/5/16 at 12:19 am to Mayhawman
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All in for Harris, but both 2011 QBs had better RAT than Harris '15. Facts is facts.
The total rating for the QBs in 2010 (you know the year before 2011), are 15 points below what Harris did as a true sophomore who was injured the back end of the year in 2015.
JJ/Lee combined for 57.3% 1984 yards 6.6 YPA (for reference Fournette ran for 6.51 ypc) 9 TDs 11 ints in 13 games. They ran for 400 yards and 7 TDs.
Harris himself had more passing yards, more passing TDs, more total TDs way less ints and a way higher yards per attempt, in one less game. The only thing that he didn't do better was get a higher cmp% and I blame some of that on the problems by WRs.
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