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re: More impressive: Miles in '07 or Saban in '03?
Posted on 7/20/10 at 6:07 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 7/20/10 at 6:07 pm to Choctaw
I would give the edge to 03 team
They played 3 top 25 scoring defenses (Georgia twice/Auburn)
The 07 team played 2 Top 25 scoring defenses (Ohio State/Auburn)
The 07 team played 3 Top 25 Scoring Offenses (Kentucky/Florida/Arkansas)
The 03 team played 3 Top 25 Scoring Offenses (Oklahoma/Mississippi/Arkansas)
They played 3 top 25 scoring defenses (Georgia twice/Auburn)
The 07 team played 2 Top 25 scoring defenses (Ohio State/Auburn)
The 07 team played 3 Top 25 Scoring Offenses (Kentucky/Florida/Arkansas)
The 03 team played 3 Top 25 Scoring Offenses (Oklahoma/Mississippi/Arkansas)
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 6:14 pm to tduecen
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The 07 team played 2 Top 25 scoring defenses (Ohio State/Auburn)
The 07 team played 3 Top 25 Scoring Offenses (Kentucky/Florida/Arkansas)
Won 3, lost 2
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They played 3 top 25 scoring defenses (Georgia twice/Auburn)
The 03 team played 3 Top 25 Scoring Offenses (Oklahoma/Mississippi/Arkansas)
Won 6, lost 0
Posted on 7/20/10 at 6:24 pm to tduecen
I had planned on avoiding this thread like the plague..but 2 scotches changed my mind.
The single most impressive coaching performance out of those 2 years, to me, was Miles calming the team down after going down 10-0 against OSU. How they responded was one of the most impressive I've seen in an array of sports. Saban would have been blowing major brain vessels at that point based on how shaky the team looked early.
Second, I would have to say the 4th down strategy vs. Florida. Without it LSU doesn't win the championship.
On the other hand, Saban's preparation and execution of defense throughout the year was unbelievable. I had the pleasure of visiting with Bill Oliver during the SECCG and he commented that he had seen very few defenses that had that much of a grasp of the scheme.
So I would give the more impressive games to Miles, but the overall more impressive aspect of the entire season to Saban.
The single most impressive coaching performance out of those 2 years, to me, was Miles calming the team down after going down 10-0 against OSU. How they responded was one of the most impressive I've seen in an array of sports. Saban would have been blowing major brain vessels at that point based on how shaky the team looked early.
Second, I would have to say the 4th down strategy vs. Florida. Without it LSU doesn't win the championship.
On the other hand, Saban's preparation and execution of defense throughout the year was unbelievable. I had the pleasure of visiting with Bill Oliver during the SECCG and he commented that he had seen very few defenses that had that much of a grasp of the scheme.
So I would give the more impressive games to Miles, but the overall more impressive aspect of the entire season to Saban.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 7:09 pm to ForeLSU
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The single most impressive coaching performance out of those 2 years, to me, was Miles calming the team down after going down 10-0 against OSU. How they responded was one of the most impressive I've seen in an array of sports. Saban would have been blowing major brain vessels at that point based on how shaky the team looked early.
BUT would Saban's team get down 10-0???? I agree with how Miles handled it. BUT....
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Second, I would have to say the 4th down strategy vs. Florida. Without it LSU doesn't win the championship.
I agree with this 100%
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On the other hand, Saban's preparation and execution of defense throughout the year was unbelievable. I had the pleasure of visiting with Bill Oliver during the SECCG and he commented that he had seen very few defenses that had that much of a grasp of the scheme.
Again agreed.
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So I would give the more impressive games to Miles, but the overall more impressive aspect of the entire season to Saban
I can live with this!!!
:cheers: :cheers:Posted on 7/20/10 at 7:25 pm to dukke v
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BUT would Saban's team get down 10-0???? I agree with how Miles handled it. BUT....
Georgia 2004...
Posted on 7/20/10 at 7:38 pm to ForeLSU
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Georgia 2004
Different situation. That game was a LOSS before it EVER began. THAT was UGA'S year to do that to LSU. Saban's fualt for sure. BUT UGA looked at that game ALL that season. Lets remember that UGA left so much on the field against LSU that they were flat as a pancake the next week vs. TENN. AND LSU didn't lose a reg season game the rest of the year. JUST SAYIN.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 8:09 pm to dukke v
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The 07 offense was better IMO.
I agree. (Didn't they same ominous things about this in the Bible?)
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But the difference in D's was HUGE. AND the way LSU dominated foes after the lost to FLA is uncomparable.
I don't know about huge, but, regardless of "on paper" or not, I feel that the '03 was a superior, more consistent defense. Other than the struggle at Ole Miss (remember we were one play from losing that one), the rest of the regular season was pretty impressive, offensively and defensively. We did beat UGA twice that year, which is no small feat. I still give the edge to '07, overall (ever so slightly - mainly it's that Florida game), but the '03 team is one we can all be "impressed" by, as well.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 8:19 pm to Ace Midnight
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. I still give the edge to '07, overall (ever so slightly - mainly it's that Florida game),
I give Miles TONS of credit for the 4th down calls. BUT there were some things I didn't like about the 2007 team. NOT playing Scott in the 2nd half against UK was JUST PLAIN STUPID. AND the FLA game YOU speak of was epic BUT LSU DOMINATED that game by the stats and should have won easy. A Last scond pass against AU. [YES A GAMBLE}. BUT LSU gained almost 600 yards against AU that night. AU had about 300.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 8:30 pm to BabyTac
2 losses to average teams is very impressive
Posted on 7/20/10 at 8:53 pm to Geauxtiga
03. Think Saban would have run the table with 07.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 9:16 pm to BabyTac
Um I think our first NC in 50 years bringing us back from the dead in the late 90's is a hell of a lot more impressive than being the only 2 loss bcs champ in history with the most talented team in the country (by many many preseason prognosticators).
We starter the season #2 or #3 in 07 i believe and around 20ish in 2003.
Dumb thread.
We starter the season #2 or #3 in 07 i believe and around 20ish in 2003.
Dumb thread.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 9:26 pm to dukke v
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NOT playing Scott in the 2nd half against UK was JUST PLAIN STUPID.
I love Charles Scott. However, who got the 4th and 2 against UK? Charles Scott. Do you have any doubt as to whether or not Hester would have got the first down?
Posted on 7/20/10 at 9:28 pm to dukke v
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FLA game YOU speak of was epic BUT LSU DOMINATED that game by the stats and should have won easy
You don't find anything impressive by dominating (statistically) a Tebow-led, Meyer-coached Florida team sandwiched between their BCS teams?
Posted on 7/20/10 at 9:34 pm to Ace Midnight
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You don't find anything impressive by dominating (statistically) a Tebow-led, Meyer-coached Florida team sandwiched between their BCS teams?
a 4 loss UF team that lost EVERYONE the year before and was super young and got rolled by Michigan
and we needed some horrible spots on 4th down calls to eek it out, Les style.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 9:44 pm to Maximus
So, if the '03 team played the '07 team at the end of the year, who wins?
I say the '03 team wins by 10 points or more. Nobody was beating the '03 team at the end of the year. Oklahoma had to block a punt late to make the score look respectable, and they were thought to be the "greatest team of all time".
I say the '03 team wins by 10 points or more. Nobody was beating the '03 team at the end of the year. Oklahoma had to block a punt late to make the score look respectable, and they were thought to be the "greatest team of all time".
Posted on 7/20/10 at 9:44 pm to Maximus
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a 4 loss UF team that lost EVERYONE
A bit of an exaggeration - they lost 4 games by 25 points, including to the BCS champs, Michigan, UGA and Auburn. Only lost at home was to Auburn, and they were still rockin' their usual 50 in their 9 wins. Tebow (Heisman in 2007) and Harvin weren't exactly your typical sophomores, either.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:54 am to Ace Midnight
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I love Charles Scott. However, who got the 4th and 2 against UK? Charles Scott. Do you have any doubt as to whether or not Hester would have got the first down?
Hester got the ball on 3rd down and went down in the backfield
Posted on 7/21/10 at 1:37 am to BabyTac
Another friggen Miles/Saban topic? Post something entertaining, this is getting old!
Posted on 7/21/10 at 7:30 am to Ace Midnight
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However, who got the 4th and 2 against UK? Charles Scott
My point with that would be that if Scott had played more in the 2nd half, THAT 4th down would not have been as impoertant. I think LSU would have had a comfortable lead.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 7:42 am to Maximus
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a 4 loss UF team that lost EVERYONE the year before and was super young and got rolled by Michigan
and we needed some horrible spots on 4th down calls to eek it out, Les style.
Going for those 4th downs was a good move on Les' part. It kept Tebow off the field. If you remember, Florida was moving the ball very well on us that night. It's not like he was going for 4th and 25 or anything, they were all 4th and 1 or 4th and 2. There are plenty of games to criticize Miles' decisions, this UF game is not one of them.
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 7:42 am
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