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re: More impressive: Miles in '07 or Saban in '03?
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:14 pm to dukke v
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:14 pm to dukke v
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SERIOUS????????? Losing Mauck was the WHOLE key dumbass.
So, you're giving 2008 back to Miles? (To paraphrase a great Tiger "fan", losing RP was the WHOLE key dumbass).
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:20 pm to Ace Midnight
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So, you're giving 2008 back to Miles
NO cause the offense put enouh points up to win games. They avg 31 ppg. I don't think RP could have done any bettter. Cause LEE DID throw some pick 6's But that ALONE did NOT cost LSU any game .
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:24 pm to Ace Midnight
People can argue all they want on this, but anyone in here comparing Miles as even close to being in the same league as Saban as a coach has to be either retarded or brain-damaged.
I hate Saban, but the man is a top 3 coach in college football. PERIOD. Miles is not even top 25 IMO.
That said, 03 is more impressive. People can claim we lost to an 8-5 I believe UF team, but reality is that we lots to 2 teams with the same records in 07, OT or not that were less talented as a whole to that 03 UF team.
Even worse is that we couldn't stop a 1-trick pony in Arkansas to the tune of 50 points. I don't care if a bunch came in OT or not.
In the end, LSU had more talent (depth-wise) in 07 and the schedules are not that different, despite the VT game.
People forget that the SEC was very down in 2007 compared and 2008 compared to previous years. We not only lost 2 games in 2007, but even struggled to win 4 more games against average/mediocre competition including Auburn, Alabama, Florida had Tebow, but no defense yet we struggled to score 28 points and needed 5 4th down conversions, and Tennessee. tOSU in the championship was a honestly a joke. They got there only because they played in the weakest BCS conference that was utter garbage.
In the end, both were great, but anyone who puts 07 over 03 is either just still pissed off at Saban or trying to prop up Miles.
I hate Saban, but the man is a top 3 coach in college football. PERIOD. Miles is not even top 25 IMO.
That said, 03 is more impressive. People can claim we lost to an 8-5 I believe UF team, but reality is that we lots to 2 teams with the same records in 07, OT or not that were less talented as a whole to that 03 UF team.
Even worse is that we couldn't stop a 1-trick pony in Arkansas to the tune of 50 points. I don't care if a bunch came in OT or not.
In the end, LSU had more talent (depth-wise) in 07 and the schedules are not that different, despite the VT game.
People forget that the SEC was very down in 2007 compared and 2008 compared to previous years. We not only lost 2 games in 2007, but even struggled to win 4 more games against average/mediocre competition including Auburn, Alabama, Florida had Tebow, but no defense yet we struggled to score 28 points and needed 5 4th down conversions, and Tennessee. tOSU in the championship was a honestly a joke. They got there only because they played in the weakest BCS conference that was utter garbage.
In the end, both were great, but anyone who puts 07 over 03 is either just still pissed off at Saban or trying to prop up Miles.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:24 pm to dukke v
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Cause LEE DID throw some pick 6's But that ALONE did NOT cost LSU any game .
Do you not agree that Bama won the 2008 game by less than 7 points?
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:27 pm to LSUMafia
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People can argue all they want on this, but anyone in here comparing Miles as even close to being in the same league as Saban as a coach has to be either retarded or brain-damaged.
I hate Saban, but the man is a top 3 coach in college football. PERIOD.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:28 pm to LSUMafia
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In the end, both were great, but anyone who puts 07 over 03 is either just still pissed off at Saban or trying to prop up Miles.
And the Sabanista is revealed!
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:33 pm to Ace Midnight
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Do you not agree that Bama won the 2008 game by less than 7 points?
OK!! You are right. throwing a pick 6 against the best team in the country at the time was a reason for LSU to lose.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:38 pm to dukke v
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OK!! You are right. throwing a pick 6 against the best team in the country at the time was a reason for LSU to lose.
But.. if the game had played out exactly the same way, just without that pick 6, LSU would have...beaten.....the.....best....team....in the...country? With Miles coaching? Umpossible!
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:38 pm to dukke v
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throwing two pick 6s and another int. against the best team in the country at the time was a reason for LSU to lose.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:41 pm to Ace Midnight
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But.. if the game had played out exactly the same way, just without that pick 6, LSU would have...beaten.....the.....best....team....in the...country? With Miles coaching? Umpossible!
Its hard to say. You never know how a game may go, if its whether something that HAPPENED DIDN'T. Bottom Line is that the LSU OFFENSE was better in 2008 than in 2009. That scares me going into THIS YEAR.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:44 pm to dukke v
I felt more comfy in the 4th in '07 than '03 MNC for sure.
I'd like Fox to do a What If on the '03 vs '07 and settle the shite so it dies. It's all good.
I'd like Fox to do a What If on the '03 vs '07 and settle the shite so it dies. It's all good.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:45 pm to Mayhawman
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I felt more comfy in the 4th in '07 than '03 MNC for sure.
Personally, I think this has more to do with who playing QB than who was on the sidelines.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:57 pm to Antonio Moss
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Personally, I think this has more to do with who playing QB than who was on the sidelines.
FAIR. BUT Mauck set the record for most Td passes in a season in 03. The 07 offense was better IMO. But the difference in D's was HUGE. AND the way LSU dominated foes after the lost to FLA is uncomparable.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:57 pm to Mayhawman
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I'd like Fox to do a What If on the '03 vs '07 and settle the shite so it dies. It's all good.
We can do it
2003:
Scoring Offense- 33.93
Scoring Defense- 11.00
Total Defense- 252.00
Total Offense- 418.36
Passing Efficiency- 149.03 Rating
Passing Efficiency Defense- 89.81
Turnovers Lost- 28
Turnovers Gained- 33
2007:
Scoring Offense- 38.64
Scoring Defense- 19.90
Total Defense- 288.79
Total Offense- 439.43
Passing Efficiency- 133.61 Rating
Passing Efficiency Defense- 98.35
Turnovers Lost- 16
Turnovers Gained- 36
Posted on 7/20/10 at 5:58 pm to Antonio Moss
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Personally, I think this has more to do with who playing QB than who was on the sidelines.
In '03, it was like OU was taking charge toward the end or maybe it was Saban Prevent O.
After 1stq in '07, I new OSU couldn't stay with LSU. It'd be interesting between the 2 Champs and edge would go to '07 imo.
Might deserve it's own thread, but I gotta go. Likely it's been covered by germans anyway.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 6:00 pm to Mayhawman
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In '03, it was like OU was taking charge toward the end
Posted on 7/20/10 at 6:00 pm to tduecen
like i said....about equal.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 6:05 pm to BabyTac
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2007 national title: Meyer/Tebow led Florida
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2003 national title: ....Zook coached Florida team,
Florida 2007: 9-4, finished 13th/16th in polls (we won 28-24)
Florida 2003: 8-5, finished 24th/25th in polls (we lost 19-7)
Advantage 2007
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2007 national title: Phulmer coached Tennessee in SEC Championship
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2003 national title: David Green led Georgia team
Tennessee 2007: 10-4, finished 12th in the polls (we won 21-14)
Georgia 2003: 11-3, finished 6th/7th in the polls (we won 34-13)
Advantage 2003
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2007 national title Spurrier coached South Carolina,
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2003 national title: unranked South Carolina (coached by Lou Holtz)
South Carolina 2007: 6-6, unranked (we won 28-16)
South Carolina 2003: 5-7, unranked (we won 33-7)
Slight advantage 2007
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2007 national title: a bowl Kentucky team,
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2003 national title: (Ole Miss team you forgot to mention)
Kentucky 2007: 8-5, unranked (we lost 43-37)
Ole Miss 2003: 10-3, finished 13th/14th in the polls (we won 17-14)
Advantage 2003
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2007 national title: Arkansas anchored by two 1st round RBs (McFadden/Jones),
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2003 national title: unranked Arkansas
Arkansas 2007: 8-5, unranked (we lost 50-48)
Arkansas 2003: 9-4, unranked (we won 55-24)
Advantage 2003
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2007 national title: ranked Auburn
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2003 national title:(Auburn team team you forgot to mention)
Auburn 2007: 9-4, finished 14th/15th in polls (we won 30-24)
Auburn 2003: 8-5, unranked (we won 31-7)
Advantage 2007
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2007 national title: ranked Alabama
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2003 national title:unranked Alabama
Alabama 2007: 7-6, unranked (we won 41-34)
Alabama 2003: 4-9, unranked (we won 27-3)
Advantage 2007
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2007 national title: Virginia Tech (top 10 at the time)
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2003 national title: no big name out of conference school. (but a regular season matchup with Georgia)
Virginia Tech 2007: 11-3, finished 9th in the polls (we won 48-7)
Georgia 2003: 11-3, finished 6th/7th in the polls (we won 17-10)
Even
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2007 national title: 12-2
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2003 national title: 13-1
Advantage 2003
It's hard to spin 2007 as more impressive than 2003. At best they're even.
This post was edited on 7/20/10 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 7/20/10 at 6:05 pm to tduecen
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We can do it
Nice stats. Never knew the TO difference between the 2 was so big. Now plug it all into your computer simulator.
Posted on 7/20/10 at 6:06 pm to BabyTac
Saban in '03
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