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re: More impressive: Miles in '07 or Saban in '03?
Posted on 7/21/10 at 10:35 am to Choctaw
Posted on 7/21/10 at 10:35 am to Choctaw
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Bottomline is some people can't get over a guy that left 6 years ago and who doesn't give a shite about LSU. They're like a 20 something year old chick still whining about the guy that popped her cherry. get the frick over it.
He didn't give a shite about LSU when he was here. LSU was nothing but a stepping stone for that a-hole. That he got lucky and won a NC was just the cherry on top of his NFL price tag. All he needed was an owner stupid enought to buy into the saban mystique. He found one and was gone in less than 24 hours. Oh his sorry arse was still at LSU but he was gone pecan.
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Posted on 7/21/10 at 10:40 am to TGFN57
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That he got lucky and won a NC
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All he needed was an owner stupid enought to buy into the saban mystique.
SERIOUS?????????
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He didn't give a shite about LSU when he was here
WOW!!!!!
Posted on 7/21/10 at 10:56 am to Ringeaux
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Miles backed into the Nat. Champ game and Saban went out and earned it.
That's one way to describe it. Another way is that they both "backed into" the games. Yet another way is to say they both earned it, Miles particularly in the VT game. You haven't forgotten that VT was possibly the second best team in the country, at least at the end of the season? And we didn't just beat them - we dominated from whistle to gun.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 11:02 am to TGFN57
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He didn't give a shite about LSU when he was here. LSU was nothing but a stepping stone for that a-hole.
True and true.
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That he got lucky and won a NC was just the cherry on top of his NFL price tag.
Now, that's not true. He is an outstanding college coach. However, he has been lucky to get jobs at LSU and Bama. He would not have looked as "outstanding" had he moved from Michigan State to Ole Miss, Clemson or Texas A&M. Landing at LSU did get him the big paydays at Miami(NFL) and Bama, but he earned his pay at LSU and Bama.
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All he needed was an owner stupid enought to buy into the saban mystique.
They (several NFL owners) have been courting him, at least since Michigan State, but it really ramped up after the 2001 LSU season. He didn't jump on the first offer. Having said that, he doesn't think of any employer, except in pure terms of $$$$ (yes Bama, that means you, too - he, through Sexton, is actively seeking a "right fit" in the NFL as we speak).
Posted on 7/21/10 at 11:07 am to Ace Midnight
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Having said that, he doesn't think of any employer, except in pure terms of $$$$
His decision to go to Miami was about control. Sure the money helped but he most likely would have never gone to the NFL if Huizenga didn't give him the control he wanted.
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 11:23 am
Posted on 7/21/10 at 11:31 am to Ringeaux
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Miles backed into the Nat. Champ game and Saban went out and earned it.
Ridiculous. They both went out and earned it by having the best team in the country and winning the games they needed to win.
People seem not to understand the meaning of the term "backed in". You "back in" to something when you lose, but someone else also loses to put you in it. For example, if LSU and Alabama are tied for the division lead, but LSU holds the tiebreaker, and we are both playing our final SEC game, we would "back in" to the division title if we lost, but Alabama also lost. If we both won, or if we won and they lost, we would not have "backed in".
In both 2003 and 2007, we won the SEC championship game and advanced to the NC game by virtue of that. We didn't "back in" to either game.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 11:39 am to Nuts4LSU
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In both 2003 and 2007, we won the SEC championship game and advanced to the NC game by virtue of that. We didn't "back in" to either game.
I agree with this. However look at the fact that if WVA beats PITT they would have gone. According to the stupid computers. And I think the 2003 team had to have like The Rainbows lose or some shite like that. Not saying both were not the best teams in the country, BUT you have to look at how other teams had to lose for LSU to get in.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 11:42 am to BabyTac
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I'm sick and tired of hearing this. Unless you start the season off as 1 or 2, then in essence you 'back' your way into the National Championship.
Uh, this isn't close to being correct.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 11:43 am to TGFN57
quote:The NFL has been courting him since the late 90's and Bill Bellicheck recommended him. Are you seriously trying to make the case that some of the most respected minds in the NFL are collectively falling for a snake oil salesman over the last 10 years?
All he needed was an owner stupid enough to buy into the saban mystique.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 11:49 am to Nuts4LSU
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People seem not to understand the meaning of the term "backed in". You "back in" to something when you lose, but someone else also loses to put you in it.
we lost to UNRANKED arky, then had to have WV lose to have any chance of getting in the title game. We had control of our own destiny, but couldn't handle business on our own so it was up to other teams losing for us to get in the BCSNCG. There could not be a more blatant example of backing in a game
Posted on 7/21/10 at 11:49 am to Ace Midnight
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Another way is that they both "backed into" the games
Good lord, there is some serious intellectually dishonesty on this board.
Two teams sitting with one-loss when the season is over, waiting for the outcome of a game to determine SOS in order to decide who goes to the NC is not "backing into the National Championship game." Both USC and LSU were equal when the day started.
A two-loss team with their season completely over, getting into the NC game only because THREE teams ranked ahead of them lose in the final week of the season is "backing in" in the NC. LSU was not equal to those other teams when the week started.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 11:53 am to MC123
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we lost to UNRANKED arky, then had to have WV lose to have any chance of getting in the title game
Even worse than that.
We had two losses prior to three dropping out of NC contention:
#2 undefeated Kansas lost to #1 Missouri the day after the Arkansas Game
#1 Missouri lost to #9 Oklahoma in the Big 12 Championship after LSU had beaten Tennessee
#2 WVU lost to Pitt after LSU had beaten Tennessee
There is no argument against the fact that LSU backed into the NC game in 2007.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 11:58 am to Antonio Moss
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There is no argument against the fact that LSU backed into the NC game in 2007.
We did so in 2003 by that logic - nobody will Admit it though - we needed nd and Hawaii to lose
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:02 pm to ironsides
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We did so in 2003 by that logic - nobody will Admit it though - we needed nd and Hawaii to lose
I have said this all along!!!
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:03 pm to ironsides
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We did so in 2003 by that logic - nobody will Admit it though - we needed nd and Hawaii to lose
Did you even read what I posted or did you just hit reply and start babbling a bunch of bullshite?
Two equal teams, with the same record when the season ends, waiting on a game to determine SOS is not "backing in." LSU and USC seasons were over and they were on equal terms.
LSU was not on equal terms with two teams at the end of the 2007 season. LSU's season was completely over and they were on the outside looking in. It took both of these teams getting upset on the final night of the season for LSU to get into the NC. That is the exact fricking definition of "backing in."
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:07 pm to Antonio Moss
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LSU was not on equal terms with two teams at the end of the 2007 season. LSU's season was completely over and they were on the outside looking in. It took both of these teams getting upset on the final night of the season for LSU to get into the NC. That is the exact fricking definition of "backing in."
Easy nancy that is your own personal definition - at the end of the 2003 we didn't control our own destiny either that a fact. Don't sugar coat your memories of the past.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:09 pm to ironsides
The difference is that in 2007 we controlled our destiny going into the last regular season game. Win the last game, and the SECCG, and you play in the BCSCG. No questions asked. We didn't and thus backed in.
In 2003, we did not control our destiny going into the last game, and we had to get lucky with other teams losing. We did everything in our power the last 6 weeks of the season to get there if other teams slipped up, which coincedentally happened. So there is a huge difference in the backing in situations.
In 2003, we did not control our destiny going into the last game, and we had to get lucky with other teams losing. We did everything in our power the last 6 weeks of the season to get there if other teams slipped up, which coincedentally happened. So there is a huge difference in the backing in situations.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:15 pm to ironsides
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Easy nancy
Well, its frustrating when people continue to be complete dishonest with themselves because they have a preset agenda. LSU fans still loathe Saban and will go to extreme lengths to defend Miles even to the point of lying to themselves.
And, for the record, LSU completely deserved to be in the NC at the end of 2007. We had a harder schedule and better wins than the other two loss teams.
That does not change the fact that we backed into the National Championship. At the end of the SEC Championship Game, we were completely on the outside. Missouri and WVU were unarguably ahead of us in the BCS standings. Nothing outside of these two teams losing was going to change that. There was no possible way LSU was playing in the National Championship if Missouri or WVU won.
They both lost and we did nothing progressively to propel ourselves to the top of the BCS standings.
That's backing in. There is no argument.
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that is your own personal definition - at the end of the 2003 we didn't control our own destiny either that a fact.
Controlling your own destiny has little to do with it as it concerns LSU. We were on equal terms with USC. We were waiting on mitigated SOS to determine the team to play. Neither USC nor LSU could affect the outcome at that point. This is much different than 2007 were both Missouri and WVU had the ability to control the outcome of their games.
Don't sugar coat your memories of the past.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:17 pm to Antonio Moss
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LSU was not on equal terms with two teams at the end of the 2007 season. LSU's season was completely over and they were on the outside looking in. It took both of these teams getting upset on the final night of the season for LSU to get into the NC. That is the exact fricking definition of "backing in."
No, it's not. That's a stupid definition because it means that any national champion that did not start the season in the top 2 and stay there the entire season "backed in".
Backing in to something requires four elements:
1. You are in a position to clinch it if you win
2. Someone else is in a position to knock you out of it if you lose and they win
3. You lose
4. They lose, too, so they fail to knock you out of it and you get it even though you lost
The most recent and notable example of backing in to something was the 2010 NFC #1 seed.
Going into the 15th game of the season against Tampa Bay, the Saints could clinch the #1 seed if they won. But, if they lost, Minnesota could have taken it from the Saints if they won. The Saints lost to Tampa Bay, but Minnesota lost to Chicago, so the Saints got the #1 seed anyway, even though they lost. They backed in to the #1 seed in the NFC.
Going into the SEC champioship game in 2007, LSU was not in a position to clinch a berth in the NC game if we won (element 1 missing), and we did not lose (element 3 missing). Other teams lost ahead of us and we moved in front of them by NOT losing. Winning = going forward, losing = going backward. To get in by losing because someone else also lost = backing in. To get in by winning because someone else lost =/= backing in.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:19 pm to Antonio Moss
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They both lost and we did nothing progressively to propel ourselves to the top of the BCS standings.
Winning the SEC championship game was something progressive that propelled us into the top 2 of the standings. Do you think we would have been there if we'd lost to Tennessee?
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