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re: Monday Morning Coaches....Give Me A F'n Break

Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:16 pm to
Posted by Springlake Tiger
Uptown
Member since Aug 2006
15531 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:16 pm to
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you dont bunt your best bat


you do what you need to do to win the game.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
22000 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:29 pm to
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Theriot was already on 2nd when Cresse came up plus game was tied. Totally different situation.


What's up, P? It's D. Congrats on the new house. Your wife informed us pregate will be there this year...looking forward to it.

Anyway, Gibbs came up with Mahtook on 2nd, Dean on 1st and nobody out in the top of the 8th. Game wasn't tied like the 2000 CWSCG, but that's the only difference. I don't know how confident you can be asking Gibbs to bunt right there when he hasn't done it all year.

Anyway, the Tigers just didn't have what it took this year. They'll reload and be back soon. See you guys soon!
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63002 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:46 pm to
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we played our style of baseball and had some tough breaks

you dont ditch what has worked for you all season in the playoffs

you dont bunt your best bat and you dont do all the other wacky shite that the coaches on here are bitching about

as Mr. Twain said, "It's better to remain silent and everyone think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."


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Posted by Ipreciateu2
Brazier-Watson in Lutcher
Member since Feb 2005
6470 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:51 pm to
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Posted by DaSaltyTiger
Alexandria/Pineville, LA area
Member since Dec 2004
4689 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:26 pm to
They won, we lost. End of story. Get over it.

Now we get ready for football. Les' balls are what will be for dinner if he screws the season up.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138528 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:43 am to
we've had a chance to sleep on it. has anyone's opinion changed? do you still think Coach did the wrong thing by not taking the bat out of his best hitter's hands?
Posted by teeMike
In my mind, I'm already there.
Member since Feb 2007
7574 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 8:37 am to
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"It's better to remain silent and everyone think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."


I vote this "Post of the day". This quote is an absolute gem...
(if only I could live by it)
Posted by TigahRag
Sorting Out OT BS Since 2005
Member since May 2005
132775 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 9:12 am to
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then why bunt a guy the other night who has never bunted in his life??


good question

i'd have to look into the situation and the numbers

a productive out for a guy hitting .280 makes a lot more sense than a productive out for a guy hitting .395


but this goes against the point you are making in the thread -- which i pretty much agree with you on -- why bunt a guy that hasn't bunted all season long in that spot and then yesterday in the 9th inning when you almost had the same exact situation, needing to put a runner in scoring position with no outs, you neither insert someone else to bunt, nor do you bunt the guy and hits into a devastating double play ..

i agree with les .. be consistent ..
Posted by Herbstreit
Member since Sep 2008
734 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 9:47 am to
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I don't know how confident you can be asking Gibbs to bunt right there when he hasn't done it all year.

True, he hasn't bunted all year, but I promise you there's not a player on UCI or UCLA who can't put a bunt down when asked to. I put this back on the coaches that all of our players should be ready/capable of laying that ball down when asked to.

And while we're on bunting, we should have bunted in the 9th also. You take yourself out of the force of a possible double play, and you set yourself up for a single to tie the game or wild pitch/past ball then sac fly scenario.

I would think that if he could go back to that situation he would've asked Gibbs to lay it down...
Posted by NaturalBeam
Member since Sep 2007
14992 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:16 am to
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has anyone's opinion changed?


No. We still should have bunted, even with Gibbs. Though I doubt the outcome would've been any different.
Posted by pistolpete23
In the present
Member since Dec 2007
7280 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:28 am to
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as Mr. Twain said, "It's better to remain silent and everyone think you a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."


Wasn't it a guy named Abe (Lincoln). Not Twain that coined this phrase?
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
Leesville, La.
Member since Sep 2007
17808 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:35 am to
They bunt all the time in the majors. But what do they know, they have to because they get paid too. You tell me LSU players don't practice bunting. With a dh I would think they do this at every practice. Its fun da mental baseball, wtf.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138528 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:42 am to
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They bunt all the time in the majors.
they dont ask Albert Pujols and ARod to bunt

outs are the most precious commodity in baseball. you dont just give them away.

look into sabermetrics if you ever get the chance. it's a great baseball debate.
Posted by Herbstreit
Member since Sep 2008
734 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:44 am to
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outs are the most precious commodity in baseball. you dont just give them away.

runs are the most important "commodity" in baseball. when you ahve a chance to get 1 (especially when down by 1) you go and get it.
Posted by dutchtowntiger100
dutchtown
Member since Aug 2009
2872 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:47 am to
I would have bunted Gibbs in the 8th but I understand why he didn't. With 4,5 and 6 up you would think one of them could have driven them in.

Odds are Gibbs would have bunted and they would have thrown him out at 3rd.

Even if they do bunt, the next two hitters did not do anything that would have gotten that run home.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138528 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:51 am to
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runs are the most important "commodity" in baseball. when you ahve a chance to get 1 (especially when down by 1) you go and get it.


still doesnt guarantee the run scoring

3 chances at getting a hit is still a lot better than 2 chances at getting a hit, in my book
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:57 am to
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you dont bunt your best bat


bullshite ! 2 on, no outs in your 2nd to last bat when you're stuggling to score runs. Not only do you bunt them over, you bunt the run home if you can. You tie the game and change the dynamics for your team.

You know as much about baseball as your beloved Mr Twain. STFU
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138528 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 12:04 pm to
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2 on, no outs in your 2nd to last bat when you're stuggling to score runs. Not only do you bunt them over, you bunt the run home if you can.


so then you have runner at second and third with one out.....maybe. that would depend on a good bunt that was able to move the runner over and not be thrown out at 3B. in no way does that guarantee that the run will score.

if you do that and you still dont score, do you honestly believe that this board would applaud the move? of course they wouldnt. they would be bitching up a storm for taking the bat out of Gibbs' hands. so you can see that, according to this board, that the coaching staff was in a no-win situation. hell, if Gibbs flies out to center or right, he accomplishes the same goal. it just happened that he flew out to LF

quote:

You know as much about baseball as your beloved Mr Twain. STFU
i dont think you want to get into that pissing match
Posted by TiegerTim
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
3097 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 12:11 pm to
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Even if they do bunt, the next two hitters did not do anything that would have gotten that run home.
wasn't the next out a fly ball??? should have been able to get the run home..
Posted by Terry the Tiger
Cypress, Texas
Member since Jul 2009
3494 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 12:11 pm to
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You dont ditch what has worked for you all season in the playoffs


But you should ditch what hasn't worked for you all season. Game 3 against MSU, the Tigers had the bases loaded and no outs late in the game and failed to score and lost 2-1. Fast forward to UCI and deja vu all over again.

I will say it again, CPM becomes an average manager in a low scoring game where every 90' is precious. In those types of game, you cannot afford to walk guys leading off innings especially when your catcher hasn't thrown anyone out in a month. You have to try to manufacture runs against elite pitching.

The fact is that this was not a very talented team and if it would have beaten UCI there was no way it would have beaten UCLA twice. A disspointing season came to a disspointing end.
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