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re: Miles' Was 0 - 4 On Coaches Calls.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 2:07 pm to dahulk
Posted on 11/6/12 at 2:07 pm to dahulk
The only one of those plays that lead to points for Bama was the 54 yd FG. While I think they should have punted, I'm sure plenty of Sunday Morning QB's would be on here bitching about how he should have gone for points there calling him a pussy if he had punted.
The fake FG on 4th and 12 was dumb, but the result is the same as a miss and it's no guarentee Alleman makes it from there.
The onside kick was a gutsy call that didn't work but it didn't cost anything. I frankly wish coaches tried it more often.
The 4th-1 was a bad call, but Bama went 3 and out after so what's the problema?
IMO the worst call is the last FG attempt and that's probably the least contraversial. In that spot 3 points don't do you much good. Down 3 or 6 a TD still wins it. If you go for it on 4th and 6 and make it, the game is over.
The fake FG on 4th and 12 was dumb, but the result is the same as a miss and it's no guarentee Alleman makes it from there.
The onside kick was a gutsy call that didn't work but it didn't cost anything. I frankly wish coaches tried it more often.
The 4th-1 was a bad call, but Bama went 3 and out after so what's the problema?
IMO the worst call is the last FG attempt and that's probably the least contraversial. In that spot 3 points don't do you much good. Down 3 or 6 a TD still wins it. If you go for it on 4th and 6 and make it, the game is over.
This post was edited on 11/6/12 at 2:14 pm
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Posted on 11/6/12 at 2:11 pm to dahulk
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I actually felt Hairston's pain. He just wanted to make a play for his team, but he touched the ball too soon.
You really should watch the games. You might have a different perspective. It is your contention that Hairston deliberately touched the ball. Did you miss the part where the ball bounced directly back at him? This also happened about 1/2 yard short of 10 and somehow this is bad execution. He would have had to fall down to miss the ball.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 2:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
The second to last series was the absolute worst. Not saying he should have had mett throw on 3rd and 6 or whatever it was but should have at least tried a pass on ffirst or second. Mett was in the zone and had already completed crucial 3rd down throws to get them down in fg range. Bama D was on it's heels and reeling. He didn't go fir the kill shot and that cost them the game. Should have never come down to relying on defense.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 2:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
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IMO the worst call is the last FG attempt and that's probably the least contraversial. In that spot 3 points don't do you much good. Down 3 or 6 a TD still wins it. If you go for it on 4th and 6 and make it, the game is over.
Up 6 is better than up 3
You pass on 3rd and 8 not go for it on 4th down.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 2:23 pm to dahulk
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That is funny, but if you've coached, you know that you have to prompt young people before they go in to make a big play
And this somehow erases the excitibility of a player. "Ok now XXXXXXX I want you to go in there and not be excited. This is a big play, it might decide the game, so just relax." Is that how it's done? And you believe that Miles didn't do that so therefore its his fault that it didn't work?
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. Old football knowledge, you practice something a hundred times, just to do it once.
And is it your premise that LSU had not practiced the onside kick? Laying blame for its failure at Miles' feet?
Posted on 11/6/12 at 2:27 pm to Topwater Trout
The only one of those plays that lead to points for Bama was the 54 yd FG. While I think they should have punted, I'm sure plenty of Sunday Morning QB's would be on here bitching about how he should have gone for points there calling him a pussy if he had punted.
The fake FG on 4th and 12 was dumb, but the result is the same as a miss and it's no guarentee Alleman makes it from there.
The onside kick was a gutsy call that didn't work but it didn't cost anything. I frankly wish coaches tried it more often.
The 4th-1 was a bad call, but Bama went 3 and out after so what's the problem?
IMO the worst call is the last FG attempt and that's probably the least contraversial. In that spot 3 points don't do you much good. Down 3 or 6 a TD still wins it. If you go for it on 4th and 6 and make it, the game is over.
This I agree with, except the onside kick. I think it shows a lack of trust and development of your defense. The SEC is better than the other conferences because we do play defense here. Miles didn't make those decisions last year and we had an undefeated regular season. And I know that people said that bama's defense was tired, but I think that pinning bama deep should have been the goal.
The fake FG on 4th and 12 was dumb, but the result is the same as a miss and it's no guarentee Alleman makes it from there.
The onside kick was a gutsy call that didn't work but it didn't cost anything. I frankly wish coaches tried it more often.
The 4th-1 was a bad call, but Bama went 3 and out after so what's the problem?
IMO the worst call is the last FG attempt and that's probably the least contraversial. In that spot 3 points don't do you much good. Down 3 or 6 a TD still wins it. If you go for it on 4th and 6 and make it, the game is over.
This I agree with, except the onside kick. I think it shows a lack of trust and development of your defense. The SEC is better than the other conferences because we do play defense here. Miles didn't make those decisions last year and we had an undefeated regular season. And I know that people said that bama's defense was tired, but I think that pinning bama deep should have been the goal.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 2:50 pm to dahulk
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Talk football
You start
Posted on 11/6/12 at 2:54 pm to dahulk
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Talk football and give me some facts, not just speculation.
It's all speculation. You don't know what might have happened had Miles not made those calls.
I'll tell you what I saw. I saw three gutsy "Lesticles" calls that didn't work out. I saw those three calls fire up the stadium and the team. That's what I saw.
It's easy critiquing decision makers when you've got 20/20 hindsight. I don't think I'd have the nerve to call those plays Les did. That's why he's the head coach of a top 5 program for the last 10 years and I'm not.
The only thing I'd change, and I say this all the time, is I wouldn't play the prevent defense. I'm sure some number cruncher has run the numbers and statistically it must be the thing to do. But jeez, all the prevent defense seems to do is prevent my team from winning. We clamped down on them the other 58 minutes of the game, why change it? But that's for others to understand.
Me, I'm just damn proud to be a Tiger after Saturday night. The atmosphere and effort were second to none.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 2:56 pm to Carlos Santannaclaus
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I saw those three calls fire up the stadium and the team. That's what I saw.
Were you at the game?
The fake FG, missed long FG, and getting stopped on 4th and 1 seemed to be deflating.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 2:58 pm to dahulk
He goes 4-0 on those he's a freakin' genius. They didn't work. Get over it. Move on.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 3:00 pm to Topwater Trout
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Were you at the game?
The fake FG, missed long FG, and getting stopped on 4th and 1 seemed to be deflating.
I must have been watching a different game than you.
After the 4th and 1 the stadium was about as loud as it was the whole night when Bama was on defense and we forced a quick arse 3 and out.
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The fake FG
Again, another 3 and out.
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missed long FG
This was about the only thing that I would say was delating.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 3:09 pm to Topwater Trout
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Were you at the game?
Yes, I was at the game. Of course the immediate reaction was a sense of deflation. But it was short lived, and I think it fired up everyone. We were playing to win, not playing "not to lose."
Posted on 11/6/12 at 3:11 pm to dahulk
1 and 4 are the two that bug me. The others don't. And we can't blame Miles for Copelands penalty but that cost us hugely.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 3:36 pm to dahulk
All true but only the fake field goal and 54 yard attempt were bad calls. I do wish we would have stayed spread in the short yardage attempt and give Ware at least 1 receiver to throw too if needed.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 3:39 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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I must have been watching a different game than you.
I was not at the game. I was simply asking a question. CBS shows a commercial b/w every change of possesion that you don't get a feel watchign as much as being there.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 3:41 pm to dahulk
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This I agree with, except the onside kick. I think it shows a lack of trust and development of your defense.
no...the onside kick shows you have confidence in your defense because they have to cover your arse if it doesn't work. It's designed to ramp momentum your way even more after a score.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 3:43 pm to ForeLSU
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All true but only the fake field goal and 54 yard attempt were bad calls. I do wish we would have stayed spread in the short yardage attempt and give Ware at least 1 receiver to throw too if needed.
I was actually hoping for an option with Ware and Ford, to the weakside of course. I would have caught bama by surprise.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 3:44 pm to Topwater Trout
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I was not at the game. I was simply asking a question.
Ahh gotcha...well yeah the crowd was let down after we didn't convert on the 4th down but as soon as the units came out on the field the stadium was going nuts all through the commercial break. LSU got that quick 3 and out and it was erupting at that point with only about 5 minutes left or so. Everyone in there knew we were going to win at that point.
Posted on 11/6/12 at 3:47 pm to Topwater Trout
We totally dominated the Gumps but lost with 58 seconds by playing a prevent defense! This loss is on the CHIEF! However I am so proud of the players & the way they handled this game with all its pressure. Watch out next year! 
Posted on 11/6/12 at 3:49 pm to PurpleAndGold86
no...the onside kick shows you have confidence in your defense because they have to cover your arse if it doesn't work. It's designed to ramp momentum your way even more after a score.
ForeLSU, you know the onside kick is not designed for the defense. It's strickly an offensive tactic. You do it because you don't want to give them the ball, but I know it has evolved to something to wear the defense out. I just think, and I thought this before it happened, that we needed to keep them on their side of the field. I think this discussion highlights how well the defense played.
ForeLSU, you know the onside kick is not designed for the defense. It's strickly an offensive tactic. You do it because you don't want to give them the ball, but I know it has evolved to something to wear the defense out. I just think, and I thought this before it happened, that we needed to keep them on their side of the field. I think this discussion highlights how well the defense played.
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