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re: Miles on lineup
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:07 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:07 pm to Choctaw
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Is it? The freshman who were the real deal saw playing time under Miles and will continue to do so.
So Miles plays guys like Patrick Peterson when they are freshman? So would any coach. It's what Miles does in borderline situations or at certain positions that's at question. And again, in my opinion, he is more conservative than his peers in those cases.
And, in my opinion, it has cost us games.
In your opinion, it's insane to question Miles b/c he knows more than any of us could possibly know about his team and how to run it. So does every coaching staff of every team in the country. Some of them just know the wrong things.
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Whats your point? Scott and Williams were getting carries and LSU was averaging almost 140 yards a game. They had f'n Broussard and Hester in front of them for Christs sake.
Context.
And don't act like Broussard and Hester were all-world tailbacks at LSU. Hester did fantastic, almost heroic things for LSU and will be remembered by all as an all-time great Tiger and fan favorite, but he will also be remembered as a fullback playing out of position.
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Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:08 pm to Choctaw
I can't wait for Murphy to shut people up
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:10 pm to jlsutiger
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You mean the same Broussard/Vincent/Hester that had a combined 42 rushing yards against Auburn that year? Or 90 rushing yards total against UF? You know, the 2 games that cost us a shot at the SEC and National title that year. Real productive.
Well God forbid they had a couple of bad games against the two of the best defenses in the country.
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Given the way our running game exploded later in the season when those guys began getting the bulk of the carries, I think Scott/Williams could have absolutely helped us beat Auburn and UF.
except for the AU game, our running game had been doing well all season. Not even close to "atrocious" like you said before.
My point in all of this is....you have to go back 4 years and bring up one player to support this claim that Miles only plays upperclassmen...no matter how good the freshmen are. So basically, my point that this whole myth is bullshite has already been proven.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:13 pm to jlsutiger
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The guy didn't even touch the field in UF and Bowl game
And UW
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:17 pm to Choctaw
quote:Problem is, those talented freshman backs likely would have done better in those games but got ZERO touches. Hell, they couldn't have done worse. Given that during 2006 season Scott averaged 6.0 yds per carry and Keiland 5.7 compared to Broussard's 3.8, Vincent's 3.7 and Hester's 4.8 I think that is a logical conclusion.
Well God forbid they had a couple of bad games against the two of the best defenses in the country.
You win ONE of those games and LSU is playing for SEC title and national title game spot. Instead Les played it safe w/ upperclassmen and took the losses.
UF and Auburn were the only two teams worth a shite we played in the first half of the season and we lost them both with NO running game. The whopping 140 yd average you mentioned are from Broussard/Vincent/Hester running up stats agianst HORRIBLE teams like ULL, Tulane, Arizona, Kentucky etc. Big fricking deal.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:17 pm to TheDoc
You people are officially insane! Bitching about who played how much in games from 5 years ago! This 
or this 
! I can't decide!
or this ! I can't decide!Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:20 pm to jlsutiger
Here are stats:
2006 - Percy Harvin (FRESHMAN)
Rushing
41 carries for 428 yards, 3TD's
Receiving
34 receptions for 427, 2 TD's
I don't like to take sides in the 'Miles won't play talented underclassmen' debate. But Percy Harvin touched the ball 75 times as a rookie. Why did he know his assignments and not our players? Even my mother commented once "it seems like LSU really does a disservice in the way they use some of their players"
Compare to Anthony Dixon of Ms State who, as a FRESHMAN had:
169 carries for 668 yards and 9TD's
2006 - Percy Harvin (FRESHMAN)
Rushing
41 carries for 428 yards, 3TD's
Receiving
34 receptions for 427, 2 TD's
I don't like to take sides in the 'Miles won't play talented underclassmen' debate. But Percy Harvin touched the ball 75 times as a rookie. Why did he know his assignments and not our players? Even my mother commented once "it seems like LSU really does a disservice in the way they use some of their players"
Compare to Anthony Dixon of Ms State who, as a FRESHMAN had:
169 carries for 668 yards and 9TD's
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:21 pm to Choctaw
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Whats your point? Scott and Williams were getting carries and LSU was averaging almost 140 yards a game. They had f'n Broussard and Hester in front of them for Christs sake.
My point is that your implication that the freshmen started playing major roles before the 9th game of the season was wrong. In fact, they saw action only in blowout situations until the Tennessee game, the 9th game of the season. The other poster pointed that out, and you basically said he had his facts wrong, so I just wanted to clear up the facts.
Whether they should have been playing earlier or not, I express no opinion. I rarely criticize personnel decisions coaches make. I generally assume the player who is starting and/or playing the most is the best we've got, and if he's not doing well, I assume our recruiting or player development at that position is lacking.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:22 pm to omegaman66
quote:and we play an actual game in a little more than 4 days but since we can predict the 2010 season with reasonable certainty we might as well dwell on past seasons until we can start reasonably predicting 2011. 2011 is still a little hazy IMO though Nuts4LSU has already predicted a losing season for 2012. Dude is the effin' man!!
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Posted by omegaman66
You people are officially insane! Bitching about who played how much in games from 5 years ago! This or this ! I can't decide!
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:25 pm to Choctaw
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Like i said...its all a bullshite myth.
What auburn 2006?
Yes or no question: did KW or CS play in that game?
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:31 pm to omegaman66
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You people are officially insane! Bitching about who played how much in games from 5 years ago! This or this ! I can't decide!
Probably because you're missing the forest for the trees. The point they are debating is whether Miles puts too much emphasis on seniority in making decisions about who plays, which is entirely relevant to the present. The examples from 2006 were brought up by one of them as evidence to support his point in the main debate. The reason the discussion of 2006 went longer than it should have was that one of them was wrong about what happened in 2006, so there was a short detour from the main point while that factual issue was cleared up.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:31 pm to Choctaw
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Trust me...we didnt lost to Auburn or UF because Scott or Williams wasn't playing.
Bet ya keiland could have done more than 1.9 ypc vs auburn.
And scotts elbow wouldn't have hit the ground at Florida on the goal line
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:32 pm to TheDoc
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Yes or no question: did KW or CS play in that game?
no.
i apologize....obviously since a freshman didn't play in a game 4 years ago it means that Miles always plays upperclassmen. Even though there have been numerous freshmen get alot PT since Miles has been here.....and screw the 4 and 5 star experienced upperclassmen ahead of them. They should sit the bench now because theres a new, exciting kid in town that was really good in high school. Sorry...don't know how i could've been so blind to have missed the obvious favoritism.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:33 pm to drexyl
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2011 is still a little hazy IMO though Nuts4LSU has already predicted a losing season for 2012. Dude is the effin' man!!
2012 is easier to predict, in general terms, right now than 2011 is, because of the quarterback situation. There is not a scholarship QB on our roster right now who will be here in 2012. There are two who will likely be here in 2011.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:36 pm to TheDoc
murphy is gonna bust an average of 130 rushing yds in the first 5 weeks this season and his name will be coming out of every commentatorss mouth when scores RICHARRRD MURPHY fot the touchdown
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:44 pm to uway
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So Miles plays guys like Patrick Peterson when they are freshman? So would any coach.
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It's what Miles does in borderline situations or at certain positions that's at question. And again, in my opinion, he is more conservative than his peers in those cases.
Examples? I'd like to see times where his peers (SEC coaches) played freshman that weren't freaks (The players like AJ Green, Julio Jones, Trent Richardson, Patrick Peterson, Percy Harvins, etc)
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And, in my opinion, it has cost us games.
In your opinion, it's insane to question Miles b/c he knows more than any of us could possibly know about his team and how to run it. So does every coaching staff of every team in the country. Some of them just know the wrong things.
When did I say that it's insane to question Miles? Fwiw you're questioning the position coaches too -- they are the ones who decide who goes in. Miles can override.. sure, but we know from quotes that he rarely interferes.
My opinion is that this is a retarded argument until you compare and contrast it to his peers with examples. As I've said before.. exceptional freshman will see the field as true freshman. This holds true under Miles as it does under every coach. I want your examples of true freshman in the SEC who are not exceptional seeing significant snaps over upper level guys who have started for one or more year.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:47 pm to Choctaw
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don't know how i could've been so blind to have missed the obvious favoritism.
It's b/c you're not good at context.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:47 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:
Nuts4LSU
It's sad that choctaw can't admit the facts and move on
But the facts don't support his pro-miles agenda.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:49 pm to bmy
quote:Uhhh, explain Shepard's lack of playing time last year. Or Randle's 11 total catches. I guess seeing the field for you means a couple of garbage time plays or 1-2 snaps per game but no significant contributions. We just can't trust a true freshman to be able to do that huh?
I've said before.. exceptional freshman will see the field as true freshman. This holds true under Miles
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:50 pm to uway
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It's b/c you're not good at context.
Its kinda hard when the example given to try to prove your point about how freshmen should start over other players is one game 4 years ago.....but i digress.
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