re: Miles haters will only be satisfied if his LSU tenure ends

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Miles has clearly been outcoached by both Nutt and Petrino.

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And the players were out played. Blame has to go to these players too.

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Dude. Arkansas started 16 true freshmen, and until Friday, had only won one SEC game.

If you want to believe Miles shouldn't have won that game, well, hang your hat on that.

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Dude, maybe you missed the memo, but LSU is just not very good this year. I don't believe that we should have won the Auburn, Miss St, or South Carolina game based on what we've seen the rest of this year, but we did. You'll say that LSU is bad because of Miles, and that a better coach would have done much better. I say that as bad as the QB and D play was, we're fortunate to be bowl eligible in the SEC.

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Which brings us full circle. Smarter SEC coaches will continue to embarrass LSU regardless of talent, as long as Les Mile's is coach there.

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No. The "full circle" is why the hell do you assume that LSU's talent is so much better than everyone else's? We lost a shite load of senior leaders who are now in the NFL. Do you not think its natural to take a step back after that? Add the fact that we had 3 QBs with no experience and this season really shouldn't surprise anyone who isn't relying on the "superior talent" argument.

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If that's how you think, then that's fine. But I doubt you were on this board last year giving Miles credit for his innovative offensive gameplan in the national championship game.

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Respectfully, you're wrong. LSU was my favorite SEC team before Arkansas joined the conference.

Read my post history. You'll see my congratulations from last season. However, you're correct that I didn't praise Les Miles.

Here's one example. I posted this here last December:

I am really proud of what LSU has been able to do for the SECW. It shines a bright light directly on our division.

I will be cheering loud and hard for LSU as another SEC team shows why this is the toughest place in America to play football.

Congratulations, Tigers! Represent!

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You'll say that LSU is bad because of Miles, and that a better coach would have done much better.

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No sir. I said that as long as Miles is your coach, lesser talented teams will continue to be a thorn in your side.

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Add the fact that we had 3 QBs with no experience and this season

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And you don't agree that Miles should be held accountable for that? Really?

When Tebow leaves Florida, a true freshman will not be starting there. Even lil' ole Arkansas loses a senior quarterback next season, but has a Parade All American and 5 star qb to replace him.

There really is no excuse for a coach in the SEC to not plan ahead and prepare for the future at any position, especially at qb.

Who is in charge of your recruiting down there?

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he dismissed that guy because he wasn't able to stay on the straight and narrow

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More proof of the white man trying to keep the black man down.

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And you don't agree that Miles should be held accountable for that? Really?

When Tebow leaves Florida, a true freshman will not be starting there. Even lil' ole Arkansas loses a senior quarterback next season, but has a Parade All American and 5 star qb to replace him.

There really is no excuse for a coach in the SEC to not plan ahead and prepare for the future at any position, especially at qb.

Who is in charge of your recruiting down there?

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Exactly. All the Miles apologists blame it on talent when Miles is the one who recruited all these guys. He is also the one who promoted those bone heads to DC.

So, if I own a restaurant and all of my staff sucks, yet I hired them all, I guess everyone else is at fault.

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And you don't agree that Miles should be held accountable for that? Really?

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QB is not a position of luxury on teams typically when you lose your starter unexpectedly. Saban lost his starting QB (Mauck) mid-season in 2002 and we tanked to 5-losses. Very rarely do you lose your starting QB unexpectedly and you do well from the position. It's not like teams recruit 6-8-10 other QBs like they do at many other positions since typically only 1 plays for a year for the most part. If your starting QB goes down you're typically looking at 2 or 3 younger guys with little to no experience.

Imagine if Tebow went down for Florida...you tihnk they would be where they're at? How about Stafford for UGA? Snead for Ole Miss? Bradford at OU? McCoy at Texas? None of those teams would of won as many games as they did and gotten worse production out of their backups.

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There really is no excuse for a coach in the SEC to not plan ahead and prepare for the future at any position, especially at qb.

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We did plan ahead. But no one has 6 or 7 QBs at a time. That's the problem you face if you lose your starting QB....you don't have many backup options like you do at almost every other position. We we're supposed to have 4 QBs coming into this year and we looked fine at the position but we can't control Perrilloux screwing up so he had to go. Now we were left with 3 (RS SO. RS FR. and true FR.) and unfortunately 2 more got hurt as the course of the year went on.

Think about this hard. If Casey Dick went down before the season started for you guys this year and couldn't come back you'd be starting an inexperienced true or redshirt freshman as well. If Tebow went down before this year started Florida would of started an inexperienced sophomore or redshirt freshman...and would of been forced to go with the redshirt freshman a weke or two ago and beyond because the sophomore got kicked off the team.

If anyone's starting QB gets booted or hurt badly they typically aren't looking good at the QB position.

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Respectfully, you're wrong. LSU was my favorite SEC team before Arkansas joined the conference.

Read my post history. You'll see my congratulations from last season. However, you're correct that I didn't praise Les Miles.

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How am I wrong? I never said you hated LSU. But its clear from this thread that you are no fan of Miles. My only point has been that its not fair for fans to blame Miles for the offense now if they gave Crowton the credit last year for how successful the O was. That's all I'm saying.

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You'll say that LSU is bad because of Miles, and that a better coach would have done much better.




No sir. I said that as long as Miles is your coach, lesser talented teams will continue to be a thorn in your side.

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So, you're saying that a better coach would do better. What am I missing here?

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And you don't agree that Miles should be held accountable for that? Really?

When Tebow leaves Florida, a true freshman will not be starting there. Even lil' ole Arkansas loses a senior quarterback next season, but has a Parade All American and 5 star qb to replace him.

There really is no excuse for a coach in the SEC to not plan ahead and prepare for the future at any position, especially at qb.

Who is in charge of your recruiting down there?

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I think Thunderbird addressed this perfectly so I won't repeat it. But seriously, do you not understand that Miles had the #1 recruit in the country ready to replace last year's fifth year senior, but had to get rid of him, even though he knew that this year was going to be a bust without him? How can you not applaud a coach for making that tough but necessary decision?

And don't give me that he should have known RP was trouble bullshite. Any coach in the country, including Nutt, Petrino, Saban, or Carrol would have given both nuts to sign RP, and no amount of revisionist history bullshite will change that. If nothing else, Miles decision to sign RP was validated because he won the SEC for us last year which set up our National championship.

I am not necessarily a "Miles fan" since his days at OSU, but I would rather see Miles succeed since that means LSU succeeds, which is the bottom line.
Miles has his chance to show what kind of coach he is or can be and whether people like his coaching style or not I bet they would like to see him do well even if it means they would eat crow.
Do I think Miles can get this thing fixed? I have my doubts, but I'm willing to let him try since he has earned it. He did a bad job this year, but he first 3 years he did a good job. I never thought he was a "great" coach nor do I think he is a "terrible" coach now!
I want this thing to play out then he can be judged once his tenure is over at LSU whether that is 5 years or 20 years. The "great" coaches club is small and is reserved for those who do more than win one NC, but he still has a chance to prove his worth.
If he ends up being "great" I will happily eat crow since I am alot more interested in LSU's success than the success of my opinions or predictions.
I think we all need to be patient right now and not cross over to the darkside of fandom like Bama fans...we're LSU and no single coach defines us like Bama, Ohio State, and Michigan.

Thanks for the opportunity to rant...good day!

I don't like LM as a coach, never have, never will, but if he addresses the situations honestly and makes attempts to correct it, I won't yell for his head. Crowton has been solid, Pelini shaky but good, Malveto horrible with obvious/hopeful steps in place to correct it. And never hug a defensive player again.