re: Miles and Cam better not let these guys down.

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The one aspect of our offense that is strong has only finished in the top 20 one time in the last 8 years. We're trying to be a top 10 team here with a shot at the NC. That's not very impressive stats you posted.

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You realize that a balanced offense likely won't be ranked in the top 20 in either individual component of an offense, and in the instances where it does, the defense usually suffers as a result...?

Nobody wants LSU to depend SOLELY on the running game, but it's a waste of time to look at passing ypg and say that LSU has to rank ahead of X number of teams if they want to win a championship.

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Well Bully for you. You managed to prove that if we can manage to have a passing offense 24 slots better than our average over the last 8 years and better than all but 1 of our last years, THEN, we can hope to be as good as the WORST passing offense to reach the top of those you listed.

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I agree

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Show me a successful team in ANY year, that has an 8 year track record averaging 93rd in passing yards per game.

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Not sure what you're getting at here. You want to exclude the better years we've had, as proof that the coach is incompetent, while failing to mention the years you want exclude are also years where said incompetent coach was also the coach. Again, passing needs to improve drastically. But to say that we need to be in the top half of the NCAA in passing yards per game to win championships is wrong. Dead wrong. Only 1 SEC team in the past 10 years to win a NC (Florida was 31 in 06...I was wrong earlier) has had a passing game that ranked in the top half of the NCAA. 5 have not. And that's just for the SEC.

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Again, you know exactly the point you were trying to make, and that you don't have a fricking clue.

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do you think i just stumbled upon my point or something?

like i randomly threw something out and got lucky

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Do you think it was more impressive for Fournette to almost hit 2000 yards in 12 games, or for Henry to do it in 14? Obviously, using your metric, it is more impressive to have 2k yards, even though it took 2 more games.

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what do individual players have to do with an argument about team offense in the modern era?

i'll respond with a comment about as relevant: i think mcaffery's return yards being included in his hype was stupid

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Any other arguments that logical people use that you wouldn't because numbers of games don't matter?

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no matter how much you try to twist what i said into something else, it doesn't eliminate the fact that i was right

you can try to change reality all you want, but until you come back to actual reality, your strawman arguments and irrelevant questions don't matter

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The only teams in the last 5 years not named Alabama to win it all had great passing attacks.

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that was going to be my follow up point if the army of strawmen didn't try to destroy the thread

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Unless we start signing those multitude of 5 star studs in the trenches like Bama we better develop a passing game.

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well i mean, even Bama is a lot better in the passing game than we are. this mythology that we run a similar offense to Bama is not based in fact. they are markedly more diverse than LSU is, from their style to production

for example: which QB had the better season?

QBA: 3250 yards (64.7% @ 9.16 ypa), 26/7

QBB: 3082 yards (64.9% @ 10.4 ypa), 22/8

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Saying that doesn't mean anyone is suggesting we go to a wide open HUNH air raid all out spread offense either.

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i love how saying "We need to move into a modern passing game" to some means "we need to throw 40 times/game"

i had a dream one day we can have a rational discussion about the LSU passing game without the need for such qualifiers

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what do individual players have to do with an argument about team offense in the modern era?

i'll respond with a comment about as relevant: i think mcaffery's return yards being included in his hype was stupid

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My question was what is more impressive a performance? A running back gaining 2000 yards in 12 games, or a running back gaining 2000 yards in 14 games? Which would you consider more effective? Which would you rather have?

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no matter how much you try to twist what i said into something else, it doesn't eliminate the fact that i was right

you can try to change reality all you want, but until you come back to actual reality, your strawman arguments and irrelevant questions don't matter

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I'm not sure you understand the meaning of straw man. You keep using it as though we are the ones presenting a distorted view. Yet, you consistently want to compare the total stats of a team who has played 14 games vs a team who has played 12. For what reason would you want to compare total yards of teams who play different numbers of games?

Let me ask you this way....using your standard of measure...if Alabama gives up 400 yards of offense in the national championship game, LSU will have a better defense this year, right? Alabama will have given up more yards this season.

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The only teams in the last 5 years not named Alabama to win it all had great passing attacks.

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Actually......

2015 - Oklahoma (17), Clemson (26), Michigan State (55), Alabama (68)
2014 - Oregon (10), Florida State (14), Ohio State (52), Alabama (29)
2013 - Florida State (14), Auburn (108)
2012 - Alabama (76), Notre Dame (72)
2011 - LSU (106), Alabama (69)
2010 - Auburn (66), Oregon (39)
2009 - Alabama (92), Texas (22)
2008 - Oklahoma (3), Florida (61)

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would rather see Miles lose than LSU win


Do you have any idea how hopelessly stupid this statement makes you sound? It is so old and tired...and cant be proven.

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ummm...the proof is when the idiots slam their fat fingers on a keyboard and fricking type it.

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You dont know this with even a little bit of certainty because you cant prove it

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read above

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But if youre telling me that there arent at least a half dozen coaches that could have come in here in the last 4 seasons and won at least as many games as Miles did, given the talent thats come through here, come on man!!

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wow...so maybe 6 coaches? yeah...lets fire the mother fricker.

idiots

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Just like clockwork, chilge comes with the "youth" excuse.

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No excuses next year, go check out my Depth Chart thread, if you haven't already.

He's sure going to let them down when they'll be making millions this time next year