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re: Milazzo’s bat will improve under Johnson

Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:32 pm to
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:32 pm to
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This is so bizarre to me. People are adamant a .148 hitter has a decisive and important starting role to this squad. Dude might have been the worst offensive starter we have ever had. Ever.


I think it’s because he’s a local kid. There’s no other logical reason. There has to be another transfer full-timecatcher in America who can hit better than Milazzo that wanted to come to LSU.
Posted by PhillyTiger90
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:34 pm to
Said it before…if Milazzo had hit .240 we would’ve been in Omaha
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:39 pm to
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There’s pretty much only one way to go..


We were just in a super regional, you dumbass. Of course there is more than one way to go next season.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:42 pm to

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Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:42 pm to
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So he was the backup at Samford. Now you got him starting in the SEC. yep. Ok


You have the .136 career hitter starting

Yep ok
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 8:59 pm to
I batted 350 in high school and had one eye
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
65056 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:04 pm to
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Sure there is, you are just too dumb to see it. Catcher is a premium defensive position, and Milazzo is an excellent defensive option. Almost anybody we replace him with will be a downgrade at defense.


Team with the most runs wins. We don’t need a premium defensive catcher to be successful with the bats we have. As long as he catches the ball well enough, I don’t care. We don’t need someone with a cannon for an arm but creates a gaping hole at the bottom of the lineup.
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:09 pm to
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So he was the backup at Samford. Now you got him starting in the SEC. yep. Ok


If the guy was terrible I doubt Johnson would accept the transfer. This isn’t a case of having to “work with what you have”. We clearly have a deficiency and he is trying to improve the quality of competition, which means we don’t have enough.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:11 pm to
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Team with the most runs wins


You sound even more dumb with every post. Having a bad catcher defensively could lead to other teams scoring A LOT more runs. You know those things you just reminded us that we need to score more of in order to win the games.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:13 pm to
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Having a bad catcher defensively could lead to other teams scoring A LOT more runs.


Where am I asking for a bad defensive catcher? there’s a lot of room between top tier and bad. It’s not all extremes. What we do know is that Milazzo is a miserably bad offensive catcher and that he can’t be in our lineup this year hitting the way he did.
This post was edited on 7/17/21 at 9:14 pm
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:21 pm to
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Catcher is a premium defensive position, and Milazzo is an excellent defensive option.


At what point does his lack of offense is a net negative to the team. I refuse to believe if a compete analysis was done, game by game, Milazzo is saving 15 runs a season where he is actually forfeiting more at the plate.

Here is the graph MLB uses to evaluate Defensive Runs Saved over a 162 game season.

Defensive Ability DRS
Gold Glove Caliber +15
Great +10
Above Average +5
Average 0
Below Average -5
Poor -10
Awful -15

Even if you want to quantify Milazzo in the +15 rate applicable and extrapolated to college, the amount of runs forfeited far exceeds what he is saving.
This post was edited on 7/17/21 at 9:22 pm
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:23 pm to
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Where am I asking for a bad defensive catcher? there’s a lot of room between top tier and bad. It’s not all extremes. What we do know is that Milazzo is a miserably bad offensive catcher and that he can’t be in our lineup this year hitting the way he did


Given our current roster, nobody we put back there will be on equal ground with Milazzo on the defensive side.

Milazzo will likely never be a great hitter, but can he improve some? You would hope he can.

So then the question becomes, with what else we have, how much will we suffer on the defensive side, and how much more will we gain on the offensive side.

Then, not even factoring in the catcher position, how well is the rest of this lineup producing? If we can afford some non productive outs, because the rest of the line up is smashing the ball, then having a top notch defensive catcher is more important than an extra bat (assuming the drop off in defense would be significant with another catcher).

You can't just throw a blanket over this and say it's a one size fits all situation.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
24683 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:24 pm to
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At what point does his lack of offense is a net negative to the team


I just pretty much answered this in the post below. Let's just pretend it was a reply to you. I'm assuming you have at least half a brain, and aren't a complete idiot like Pirate King.
Posted by rumination
Member since Jan 2020
778 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:28 pm to
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he’s hitting .133 this summer.


I appreciate you pointed this out as well as the 2020 season.

.186 avg 2020
.135 avg 2021
.133 avg this summer?

He is going the wrong way. I am not as confident this can be improved, but maybe we will see.

For comparison, I think Travinski in limited ABs was well under .100 in 2020, but he jumped all the way to .270s in 2021. Lots of guys who struggle early on make some sort of a jump. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
12790 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:28 pm to
I understand what you’re saying and the argument would hold if he was batting even .230. He is not though. He is batting a strong .148. It’s hard to reason that out with “defensive ability”. Some of the best defensive catchers in the MLB spot duty.
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
32077 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:34 pm to
I think over the year he saved more than he lost by not hitting

Well now that I think bout it , it’s probably close
Posted by rumination
Member since Jan 2020
778 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:36 pm to
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If there was ever a player people would say…yeah it’s not working out about…it should be Milazzo. Defensive replacement at best.


If he sticks around then I could actually see this. I think this would be ideal.
Posted by rumination
Member since Jan 2020
778 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:37 pm to
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Milazzo batted .432 in high school


That's great, but it has yet to translate to this level whatsoever.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
24683 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:37 pm to
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I understand what you’re saying and the argument would hold if he was batting even .230. He is not though


Well, he's batting 0.00 for next season, which is all that currently matters. If Johnson thinks he can improve hitting, or if his defense out weighs the lack of hitting, then he will give it a shot.

I'm not advocating that Milazzo should start and nothing else should even be considered. I'm just saying it's deeper than just his batting average.
This post was edited on 7/17/21 at 9:39 pm
Posted by BiggaGeauxrilla
North Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
3158 posts
Posted on 7/17/21 at 9:39 pm to
I do think he was the best bunter on the team… But other than that he’s not gonna contribute much offensively…
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