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re: Milazzo is our catcher.

Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:13 am to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:13 am to
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then when you try to take it a step further and argue for days (in a thread not even about Dugas)



You have two posts about it now and it has nothing to do with you You going to waste another beautiful day on the internet trying to troll me?
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:16 am to
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Thats the exact opposite of what Jay does. Paul would send messages through the media. Jay will protect his players at all times. He has literally told the media that he can’t answer a question because it’s not fair to the players and they know where they stand and what they need to do. I get why you’d say he does it though, it helps your interpretation. But it’s completely false.




throwing under the bus /=/ sending messages.

Jay sends messages all the time. Whether it comes naturally through his honesty or if it is pointed & planned, it happens.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:18 am to
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Jay sends messages all the time. Whether it comes naturally through his honesty or if it is pointed & planned, it happens.
Love the double down on an obvious lie. Good work.
Posted by LSBoosie
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:21 am to
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But he is brutally honest for the most part, and absolutely will send messages through the media.

If this is true then why are you having to guess at what he is trying to say? If he was brutally honest wouldn’t he have said Dugas can only make the routine plays? Because that’s what you said he meant.

Also have you made it out to any scrimmages yet this season? When is the last time you saw Dugas play any position on the infield that you are basing your conclusions off of?
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:23 am to
Lester has talked himself into believing that Jay was sending the message to Dugas through the media that he can only make routine plays. And that’s very much something a coach like Jay would do. Lester used to be a better troll than this.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:27 am to
I didn't say he was sending a message with this. That is completely made up.

I said he was giving an honest evaluation, where I think other's may have taken it as a compliment.
Posted by LSBoosie
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:27 am to
Oh I know. It’s just funny watching him blatantly contradict himself then try to find a way out of it.
Posted by LSBoosie
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:29 am to
If it is his honest evaluation, why are you having to put words into his mouth though?
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:30 am to
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I didn't say he was sending a message with this. That is completely made up.
You brought it up in this discussion. Your exact quote:
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Easy for anyone to understand what he is saying, but you are absolutely welcomed to your own interpretation.

I dont think Johnson ever sets out to "insult" anyone. That's kind of silly. But he is brutally honest for the most part, and absolutely will send messages through the media.
What other examples were you referring to if not the singular topic we are discussing?
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:30 am to
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If this is true then why are you having to guess at what he is trying to say? If he was brutally honest wouldn’t he have said Dugas can only make the routine plays? Because that’s what you said he meant.




There is no need to guess, though you genuinely seemed confused by his statement.


Every infielder should be expected to be great at making routing plays. That is the most rudimentary part of playing defense.

If Johnson though Dugas was a good defender, he would have simply said it. That is how Jay Johnson works.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:34 am to
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though you genuinely seemed confused by his statement.
Who is confused. The people who are just going with what he said or you who’s trying to interpret it to mean something else?
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If Johnson though Dugas was a good defender, he would have simply said it. That is how Jay Johnson works.
Saying he’s good at making all the routine plays is saying he’s a good defender. Lots of players can’t do all of the routine stuff.
Posted by LSBoosie
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:35 am to
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There is no need to guess, though you genuinely seemed confused by his statement.

I’m not guessing. I’m taking his words for exactly what they are. You are the one that is putting words that he didn’t say into his mouth.
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Every infielder should be expected to be great at making routing plays. That is the most rudimentary part of playing defense.

Except this was a major problem last year. Maybe that’s why he spoke on it.
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If Johnson though Dugas was a good defender, he would have simply said it. That is how Jay Johnson works.

If Johnson thought Dugas could only make routine plays, he would have simply said it.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:37 am to
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You brought it up in this discussion. Your exact quote:




That is a general comment about how he handles the media.

I have directly described the comment about Dugas as an evaluation.



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What other examples were you referring to if not the singular topic we are discussing?




When he says he is looking for (Dugas last year, for example) to take better at bats.


Im not sure Dugas can do anything about his defense at this point. There really isn't a message to send with that. And if I thought there was, I would just say it. Im not sure why you are trying to trap me with this basic shite
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:42 am to
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When he says he is looking for (Dugas last year, for example) to take better at bats.
You think that was a message directed at Dugas as if they didnt already discuss it and were working on it? My god, man. He also said Thompson needed to play better defense. Was that a secret message too?
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Im not sure why you are trying to trap me with this basic shite
No one is trapping you. We’re just pointing out how absolutely absurd it is that you came to a conclusion that is completely outside of what Jay said. And then you double speak… your whole argument hangs on something Jay was implying… something he means but didn’t explicitly say… yet in the same thread you say how honest and straight forward he is. You’re trapping yourself.
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 10:44 am
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:46 am to
I can't tell if you are trying to troll me or if you are really like this

But either way, hell of a job
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 10:47 am
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:48 am to
Ah. The classic name calling once you can’t rationally defend yourself anymore. Be better.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:49 am to
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I’m taking his words for exactly what they are. You are the one that is putting words that he didn’t say into his mouth.



you think he is being brutally honest that Dugas is just that good at 2B.

I don't.


We can just leave it at that. You aren't going to change my mind.
Posted by LSBoosie
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:50 am to
I think it’s more of the fact that you are directly contradicting yourself and then acting like no one else knows what they are talking about because they are questioning you.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:52 am to
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Ah. The classic name calling once you can’t rationally defend yourself anymore. Be better.




You keep making up things that I didn't say, there is nothing to rationally defend. You are actively trying to troll me. I get zero joy out of that kind of back and forth. I'll leave that to the other baseballtards that like to engage you
Posted by LSBoosie
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:54 am to
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you think he is being brutally honest that Dugas is just that good at 2B.

I don't.

But you said this
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he is brutally honest for the most part

And this
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I said he was giving an honest evaluation

So is he honest or not?
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