re: Mike Detillier on Jefferson (link to audio)

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JJ refused to even talk to him or look him in the eyes. said his GF ordered everything

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This is funny b/c I used to work at the Subway on State Street and he would come in with his gf oftentimes and she ordered everything for him then too

Sounds like from that audio JJ has changed his mechanics a lot. He has a much quicker release and far better footwork. I hope he translates all this to the game.

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Gosh, you had a point? Who knew....

I mean, other than knocking an LSU player's camp performance, which you didn't see and know squat bout, what point might there be?

Oh, let me guess...you heard good reports before which didn't pan out in the season and therefore all good reports are not to be believed...right?

Yeah, 20 yr old guys have topped out talent wise and never improve, huh.

Where does that BS thinking come from...I mean, I have seen lots of LSU guys improve...haven't we all???

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100% on the mark

I think either point of view could turn out to be right.

1. JJ could actually take a substanstial step and the light may have came on at these camps and continue for the season. This camp has the talking heads who have seen JJ and some credible ones say he has improved significantly.

Group 2 which I happen to be a member of has heard this before (we can debate the amount at a differnt time) but I think all objective tiger fans would agree it has been discussed in a form or fashion since the end of his freshman year, correcting his release, his footwork and reducing the playbook. Whether he got it in practice and reverted back in games or never got it or Crowton overinflated how much they tried to do is another question. Group 2 wants to see this rumored huge improvement show up on the field in more than sporadic burst every fourth game or so to even think about believing in JJ.

So I think each side can wait and civilly argue their points without flaming opposing posters. At least until the season starts.

My final question is if JJ has turned the corner and shows it for more than just the first game where he had months to prepare but plays well against Northwestern and Miss St will the ones who held thier judgement support him.

Or if he shows up and plays well at Oregon due to the long prep time but then scrapes by with LSU winning by the skin of their teeth and having to bring Lee or Mett in to bail out a game or two with JJ playing similiar to how he did in the 7 game stretch between the UNC and Alabama game where he failed to exceed 100 yards passing in any of th games and threw 7 INTs in 102 passes in that stretch.

Will Miles pull JJ if he looks just like JJ 2010 and the offense has no consistnecy and JJ is all over the place throwing the ball or does it take an out and out bad loss for JJ to lose his job despite 3 or 4 bad games in a row which would bring serious questions to Miles staying with JJ again after poor performances.

I read in an article today (quotes from JJ paraphrased) that Krags is not changing really much if anything from the playbook. What he is doing is working on execution and aggressiveness.

ETA: here's the quote;

“We practically kept the same system, he just brings more aggressiveness to our offense as far as getting out of the huddle fast enough and making sure everybody is on the same page. We still have the same system and same concept,”



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There has been no "dumbing down" of the offense. Wasn't any dumbing down last year either. What he said is EXACTLY what I wanted to here because IMO this has plagued us ever since the 2007 experience left.

But from 2009-2010 did you see anything different in the plays or play calling in itself? If anything he was told to do more and without learning fundementals first, he horrendously failed at it. I'm sorry but I it seems like Crowton did as little as possible to coach both Lee and Jefferson.

How is it possible for 2 four star QB recruits, in the same time frame, from different states, who played in different systems, under the same OC/QB coach in college, fail miserably one after another without improving at all in a 3 year span for that college?

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Gosh, you had a point? Who knew....

I mean, other than knocking an LSU player's camp performance, which you didn't see and know squat bout, what point might there be?

Oh, let me guess...you heard good reports before which didn't pan out in the season and therefore all good reports are not to be believed...right?

Yeah, 20 yr old guys have topped out talent wise and never improve, huh.

Where does that BS thinking come from...I mean, I have seen lots of LSU guys improve...haven't we all???




100% on the mark

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actually its no where near the fricking mark.

Tossing some balls around in tshirts and shorts is a bit different that playing in TS or road sec venue.. Im going to assume you have enough sense andknew that was the point ... just chose to not admit it.

I think you've missed the points of the more positive posters also. No one is assuming that JJ will play lights out because people say he had a good camp. However, hearing experts say that his mechanics have improved and that he looked good at least gives us hope. Would you rather the experts say "same old JJ"? If they were saying that, he would still be our starter. I prefer to at least have hope going into the season that we'll get better qb play.

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The best point that Detillier made was when he talked about how the WRs have not been coached up since Monken left the program. We have good WRs w/ raw talent, but none of them have developed into dominating receivers. I attribute this to coaching, or lack thereof. Basically, Gonzalez and Krag need to get this shite turned around.

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I take what m.d. says with a grain of salt. This is the same guy that was spewing n.f.l. scouts felt lsu guys were under developed. A guy like al woods. (he was such a great talent and only needed some coaching). Saints traded up to get him, their great coaching developed him so well they cut him.

then, this year you have peterson, nevis, and sheppard considered as really well coached/developed players.

now, bill g can't coach wr's. however, he did a great job with p. harvin and louis murphy.

See the talking out of both sides of the mouth?

my opinion, i like mike d as an entertainer. however, he comes accross as a guy who likes to hear himself talk. a legend in his own mind.