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re: Men’s Basketball transfers
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:03 pm to JWill409
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:03 pm to JWill409
I think we’ll be fine offensively, but bad on the defensive end.
This program was murdered. And honestly, mcmahon will get 2 more years. So we are kind of stuck with it. Hope it gets better
This program was murdered. And honestly, mcmahon will get 2 more years. So we are kind of stuck with it. Hope it gets better
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 8:05 pm
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Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:05 pm to Madking
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And last year they were 11th so you’re saying the coach is shite not the players?
no i am am saying the lsu is in the top 10 in incoming transfer ratings. i am opposing the claim that coach is shite at recruiting transfers. if that is your claim then it is opposed by most of the websites that rank this sort of thing.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:07 pm to BilJ
Agree.. it doesn’t get any better.. you already have Pearl, Oats, Musselman, Barnes, Calipari, Buzz Williams and now Chris Beard all in the SEC.. what can McNothing offer to any prize recruits to convince them to come to LSU other than limited NIL money and playing time?..this dude McNothing is way over his head to compete in the SEC..
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:12 pm to BallChamp00
quote:
Honestly I think he’s too good of a guy to recruit in the NIL world.
This.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:14 pm to mmcgrath
Also had an elite p5 coach already that had proven he could win at a high level. It’s the same, but different.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:14 pm to jamarr
Agree, I think the talent is fine. If the coach were any good we should be in the middle of the pack for conf play but my guess is we won’t.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:21 pm to sunnydaze
quote:
Did you think 5 star recruits would be beating down the doors to come play for a 13-19 team?
Exactly. I thought he’d struggle to find any players.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:30 pm to JWill409
quote:Early SEC record prediction?
Will be a night and day difference.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:31 pm to Big4SALTbro
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I don’t get the McLoser fans. I can see why people support les even when it was time to put him out to Pasteur the guy at least won and won big here. Same with O at least he had a NC. McLoser has done nothing and some guys can’t stop defending him.
I mean the guy has won 66% of his games(including his first year at LSU). He has recruited/developed 4 possibly 5 NBA players(if you count KJ) at a mid major and was named by several publications as one of the best young coaches in college basketball. Sending him to the grave after one year especially with the hand he was dealt is why people are defending him. If he repeats last year or they don’t show much improvement, I would understand. I’ll be right there with them.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:33 pm to BallChamp00
I think CMM has one more (mediocre) year and SW will be going after a big fish.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:34 pm to drizztiger
quote:
Early SEC record prediction?
8-10
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:37 pm to JWill409
Put that into context though. Of the last 6 Murray State coaches spanning 30 years he’s 4th in wining % and he’s 6-28 career vs P5 level opponents including last years wins at LSU. His resume is hollow outside of an assistant of his discovering an unknown Morant by chance encounter.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 8:53 pm to JWill409
quote:I respect the response. I think 8-10 SEC is a baseline expectation. We were projected middle of the pack in SEC and finished dead last at 2-16. Also finished #151 Kenpom. That's atrocious. Middle of the pack last year would be in that 8-10 range.
Early SEC record prediction?
8-10
8-10 would be an improvement for sure, but when you set the bar so low at 2-16, almost anything is an improvement. You can't finish worse than dead last in the SEC.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:26 pm to lsutiger2
Yeah, because he was paying players. This guy is not paying any of these players to come here because who would?
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:39 pm to deuce985
Who did he pay? Be specific, full details please.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 9:59 pm to drizztiger
Honestly, given what they produced with a roster most of which is coming back (and you're losing the only consistently productive player on that roster) and the pretty incomplete recruiting class (missing at least one guard who can be a lockdown defender or even a consistent scorer outside of Cook, zero rim protection or real rebounding threats), I don't know how you could predict this team to be any better than 6-12 in the league.
I was a lot more optimistic about last year's roster because I thought Hill and Miller were going to be legit and I believed that Ward, Reed and Phillips were going to be real SEC players. None of that happened, and outside of KJ everybody else was at best a decent reserve.
Did we get better with the current additions than what we had last year? Sort of. You can't expect Baker to be better than KJ. Hunter Dean will probably be a little better than Phillips or Coleman was last year productivity-wise, though neither one will fix your shitty interior defense. Yes, Wright, Cook and Stewart ought to be better than Hill, Miller and Hayes because you can't get much worse.
Except we needed another productive guard and it looks like we whiffed on all of them. Which means Mike Williams had better be a LOT better than Justice Williams was or else we're going to be razor thin at guard. So you're not really better enough in the backcourt to offset the fact you might be considerably worse in the frontcourt.
Oh, and all of this assumes that Cook gets his waiver and is eligible to play this year - because if that doesn't happen, you're going to have Carlos Stewart playing the point and Trae Hannibal as his backup, and you will probably finish last in the SEC.
I want to be optimistic. I'm not one of the Will Wade fans who want the program burned down in protest of Wade getting fired. That does nobody any good.
My problem is I look at this objectively and I don't see any reason to believe Matt McMahon can make this roster competitive in the SEC. You put a Marcus Thornton or a Ronnie Livingston or even a Darrell Mitchell on this team and we'll talk, though you still don't have an athletic forward who can score unless Corey Chest is better than people think.
Not encouraging. And I don't accept any of the excuses about probation. We're not getting a tournament ban. At worst they'll take away the tournament revenue but none of the kids care about that. If McMahon and his staff and his plan for the program were attractive to recruits, we'd be getting recruits. Instead we're getting kids from around here who'd rather lose playing for LSU than lose playing for the school they've been at after Wade didn't recruit them out of high school.
I was a lot more optimistic about last year's roster because I thought Hill and Miller were going to be legit and I believed that Ward, Reed and Phillips were going to be real SEC players. None of that happened, and outside of KJ everybody else was at best a decent reserve.
Did we get better with the current additions than what we had last year? Sort of. You can't expect Baker to be better than KJ. Hunter Dean will probably be a little better than Phillips or Coleman was last year productivity-wise, though neither one will fix your shitty interior defense. Yes, Wright, Cook and Stewart ought to be better than Hill, Miller and Hayes because you can't get much worse.
Except we needed another productive guard and it looks like we whiffed on all of them. Which means Mike Williams had better be a LOT better than Justice Williams was or else we're going to be razor thin at guard. So you're not really better enough in the backcourt to offset the fact you might be considerably worse in the frontcourt.
Oh, and all of this assumes that Cook gets his waiver and is eligible to play this year - because if that doesn't happen, you're going to have Carlos Stewart playing the point and Trae Hannibal as his backup, and you will probably finish last in the SEC.
I want to be optimistic. I'm not one of the Will Wade fans who want the program burned down in protest of Wade getting fired. That does nobody any good.
My problem is I look at this objectively and I don't see any reason to believe Matt McMahon can make this roster competitive in the SEC. You put a Marcus Thornton or a Ronnie Livingston or even a Darrell Mitchell on this team and we'll talk, though you still don't have an athletic forward who can score unless Corey Chest is better than people think.
Not encouraging. And I don't accept any of the excuses about probation. We're not getting a tournament ban. At worst they'll take away the tournament revenue but none of the kids care about that. If McMahon and his staff and his plan for the program were attractive to recruits, we'd be getting recruits. Instead we're getting kids from around here who'd rather lose playing for LSU than lose playing for the school they've been at after Wade didn't recruit them out of high school.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 10:05 pm to Madking
quote:He won't, because it's not there.
Who did he pay? Be specific, full details please.
We tend to get into the same arguments time over time and it's ridiculous. They will take 2-16 SEC, better Xs and Os nonsense to their grave. You can't make them see, they picked their battle and will die for it. Muh, Streetball.
Maybe we go 6-12 SEC next year and it's "we're on the rise!!!"
Posted on 5/8/23 at 10:06 pm to JWill409
quote:
8-10
That’s a very optimistic prediction
Posted on 5/8/23 at 10:15 pm to macaoidh
quote:
Honestly, given what they produced with a roster most of which is coming back (and you're losing the only consistently productive player on that roster) and the pretty incomplete recruiting class (missing at least one guard who can be a lockdown defender or even a consistent scorer outside of Cook, zero rim protection or real rebounding threats), I don't know how you could predict this team to be any better than 6-12 in the league.
I was a lot more optimistic about last year's roster because I thought Hill and Miller were going to be legit and I believed that Ward, Reed and Phillips were going to be real SEC players. None of that happened, and outside of KJ everybody else was at best a decent reserve.
Did we get better with the current additions than what we had last year? Sort of. You can't expect Baker to be better than KJ. Hunter Dean will probably be a little better than Phillips or Coleman was last year productivity-wise, though neither one will fix your shitty interior defense. Yes, Wright, Cook and Stewart ought to be better than Hill, Miller and Hayes because you can't get much worse.
Except we needed another productive guard and it looks like we whiffed on all of them. Which means Mike Williams had better be a LOT better than Justice Williams was or else we're going to be razor thin at guard. So you're not really better enough in the backcourt to offset the fact you might be considerably worse in the frontcourt.
Oh, and all of this assumes that Cook gets his waiver and is eligible to play this year - because if that doesn't happen, you're going to have Carlos Stewart playing the point and Trae Hannibal as his backup, and you will probably finish last in the SEC.
I want to be optimistic. I'm not one of the Will Wade fans who want the program burned down in protest of Wade getting fired. That does nobody any good.
My problem is I look at this objectively and I don't see any reason to believe Matt McMahon can make this roster competitive in the SEC. You put a Marcus Thornton or a Ronnie Livingston or even a Darrell Mitchell on this team and we'll talk, though you still don't have an athletic forward who can score unless Corey Chest is better than people think.
Not encouraging. And I don't accept any of the excuses about probation. We're not getting a tournament ban. At worst they'll take away the tournament revenue but none of the kids care about that. If McMahon and his staff and his plan for the program were attractive to recruits, we'd be getting recruits. Instead we're getting kids from around here who'd rather lose playing for LSU than lose playing for the school they've been at after Wade didn't recruit them out of high school.
quote:This is honestly the best post I've ever read from you and cheers. Honest
macaoidh
I'll dissect, but hey.. hey.. okay... okay.. (I've been watching to much Succession) lol
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 10:33 pm to drizztiger
I hope somehow he makes me look foolish and turns out to be a great coach, I just want to win. The only problem is I don’t see anything that leads me to believe he can win at this level.
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