re: Mediocre is 2 - 9 versus ranked teams over the last 2.5+ seasons

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Say what? Are you saying that anyone could come to LSU and put together a winning program?

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The most crucial element of what I wrote is "the way it is commonly perceived."

Show me one coach who has consistently recruited top 10 classes and failed to win.

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Coaching IS the key. Every aspect of coaching is the key to success.

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Right, which is why I added "THE WAY IT IS COMMONLY PERCEIVED."

100% of the time the people on here say Les Miles is a bad coach, what are they talking about?

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Coaching is THE most overrated aspect of college football in the way it is commonly perceived.

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You couldn't be more wrong and its obvious you've never coached. Coaching is the most critical aspect in almost any sport where the talent on the field is remotely level. If its not instilled by the current coach, those players had to get it from previous coaches.

Name me one mitigating factor in those losses?

Let's go through them:
UGA 2008 - Nope, you can blame the pick 6's all you want, LSU lost badly to a slightly above average team because of NO adjustments.

UF 2008 - Simply outclassed on defense and offense. What was that? McCray is asked to cover Harvin?

Alabama 2008 - You get your arse saved by a great FG block only to be over agressive in OT when you are running over the opponent. Moral victories, YAY!

Ole Miss 2008 - If your team gives up, it's on the coaches. We were down a ton before Lee's injury.

UF 2009 - We got outplayed and outcoached by a team with a QB coming off a bad concussion running the same play. LSU refused to adjust and offense was pathetic.

BAMA 2009 - If you want to claim Peterson's non-called INT changed the game, do you really think LSU was going to drive on BAMA for a TD after that? What are the chances? Well coached teams still can do it. Instead, you had a poorly coached special teams play that lead to that even happening in the first place.

Ole Miss 2009 - do i need to even go into this one?

Penn State 2009 - No adjustments at all, we lose on bad clock management again.

Auburn 2010 - We play scared on defense, refuse to start Lee, JJ throws a horrible INT that gives them the lead. Yup, mitigating circumstances.

So, I don't see any mitigating circumstances as you described.

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You couldn't be more wrong and its obvious you've never coached. Coaching is the most critical aspect in almost any sport where the talent on the field is remotely level. If its not instilled by the current coach, those players had to get it from previous coaches.

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You can't read.

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100% of the time the people on here say Les Miles is a bad coach, what are they talking about?

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Don't know since Miles isn't a bad coach. He is a good coach, but not great. Recruits very well and at one time had an elite program, but doesn't now.


Many factors in being a an executive HC. Miles is good, not elite. The program reflects his direction.

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Who do you think you are, Choctaw, the most interesting poster on The Rant? Saban made an "attempt" to recruit RP, so your strawman argument doesn't hold water. RP was trouble. Saban and other (not all, Mack Brown thank you very much) coaches knew it. History bore that out pretty well. Yet, here we are, with idiots still willing to defend the RP fiasco.

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Saban didn't just "attempt" to recruit RP.

RP was also recruited by FSU, Miami, UT, and Mississippi State.

Don't sit here and pretend that other coaches were geniuses because they didn't go after RP because it's just false and makes you look stupid. RP had no history of trouble before he got to college.

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I follow recruiting closely and I know you are full of shite.

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Prove the opposite with your own link, since you are the authority on recruiting and all. Please, just the link...................

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Generalize much?

7-5 is "winning" and it's also mediocre as is 8-4, 9-3 when you don't sniff a conference title.

Want to narrow it down to what you think "win" is?

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Alright, how else can I explain it?

Go look at the recruiting rankings. Then look at the teams winning. Then tell me who is winning.

Why do Texas, OU, USC, Florida, LSU, Alabama make repeated trips to the MNC?

Talent wins about 95% of games. All the jargon that goes into the discussion after games about "adjustments" and "game plans" is mostly a bunch of bullshite that people have no idea what they are talking about say. The see a run play go for 40 yards in the first half and then another run play go for 60 yards in the 2nd half so they say... "See we don't make adjustments!"

It's fine, and it's part of having a humongous fanbase, but most fans don't know jackshit.

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Pretty damn solid. You would expect a team with this level of raw talent to do better than ND did under Weiss.

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Recruiting rankings probably wasn't the best way to describe it, and that's my fault.

But who recruits good classes and fails?

You know why we've failed the last 2 years? Because our senior leadership came from shite classes in 2005 and 2006.
Because talent wasn't there at key positions.

It doesn't matter how genius your coach is, he's not going to make a monster out of mediocre talent, especially going against some of the most talented teams in the country.

I'm not linking shite, I never said I was an authority on recruiting just that I follow it closely and just know you are full of crap about Saban not recruiting him. I would love to see where you got that from.