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re: MBB team last year
Posted on 12/24/24 at 2:55 pm to TigerBait2008
Posted on 12/24/24 at 2:55 pm to TigerBait2008
“Village idiot”
You don’t have to announcer yourself, we can see you.
You don’t have to announcer yourself, we can see you.
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Posted on 12/24/24 at 2:59 pm to Madking
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Well it’s a pattern that’s happened with at least 4 other players so…
Is that a yes?
let me ask again, perhaps you didn't see the question:
it is fair to say you are a better judge of chest's talent than coach McMahon, given your time at practice and general scouting skill?
to me it seems possible chest was always an amazing athlete, but needed to work on his shot and ability to move with the ball and create, and he thought maximizing his practice time in school could help him eventually make the NBA. so he took a redshirt, and now has 4 years to work on developing his NBA skills to match his NBA body, while making pretty decent NIL cash.
it is fair to say you are a better judge of chest's talent than coach McMahon, given your time at practice and general scouting skill?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 3:04 pm to jamarr
The infallible coach theory has been debunked more times than you can count
Posted on 12/24/24 at 3:06 pm to Madking
quote:
Cam
Hannibal
Ward
Phillips
Arguably Fountain
these players were undervalued, according to you, and deserved more minutes? did you find this out from your time scouting them in practice?
many of these players are quite flawed. Hannibal cant shoot, cam who? Hayes, the one at east Carolina? ward was hugely one-dimensional. his defense was miserable. defense is half of the game. Philips is a relic from when the game was different, and isn't exactly destroying at AZ st with 3 points a game.
I get that fans like to second guess coaches. I see no evidence that chest was mismanaged. he is played well and improving and has a lot of eligibility ($$) ahead of him. your theories seem to be based on nothing.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 3:07 pm to Madking
quote:
The infallible coach theory has been debunked more times than you can count
I can count pretty high
it is fair to say you are a better judge of chest's talent than coach McMahon, given your time at practice and general scouting skill?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 3:09 pm to jamarr
Stop with the straw men. The guy is asking a question and suggesting an argument. I just pointed those cases out to show that it’s not an unreasonable question. Your argument of “muh coach is a coach so he can’t make mistakes” is silly but you’re just trying to shut the other guy down, your questions aren’t honest.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 3:15 pm to Tiger Ugly
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Actually, in my retrospective hypothetical, I envision Chest's minutes in place of Baker/Dean
I think you are right that chest is just naturally a better rebounder. My first impression of chest this season was that he was incomplete on the offensive end and a little prone to turnovers. Clearly McMahon was too reluctant to put him out there, but also, I understand it.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 3:18 pm to Madking
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“muh coach is a coach so he can’t make mistakes
who are you quoting here, I think these are fake quotes
quote:
Stop with the straw men
what's a straw man?, like fake quotes?
I don't think the criticism of coach's management of chest is necessarily valid and I am asking for evidence that coach has poorly assessed his skills or given him less playing time than would be optimal.
this would be difficult to know for a person who has very little idea of the player's progress in practive etc. for all we know the way he has been used has optimized his performance, kept him motivated and he is getting minutes just when he deserves them.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 3:22 pm to jamarr
Just curious if you realize that you’ve set up a standard that completely exonerates any coach of ever being held to account?
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 12/24/24 at 3:25 pm to Madking
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Just curious if you realize that you’ve set up a standard that completely exonerates any coach of ever being held to account?
I believe that's called a straw man.
I was just asking for evidence. if you are at practice every day and know a lot that's awesome.
if you are a really astute fan and have great analytical skills, that's also great. that is your claim, is it not? I am trying to clarify your claim. if you want to keep it secret, that's fine too.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 3:32 pm to jamarr
Now you’re adding something to your original position. The production is the proof
Posted on 12/24/24 at 3:38 pm to Madking
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The production is the proof
well its not really proof. again, for all we know he was really raw and unready a year ago. a lot of development can happen in a year of hard work.
here is my theory, and I would like to see what you think is wrong with it.
chest realizes that NCAA pays better than low level pro basketball. he would like to maximize his time either in the NCAA or the NBA. he thinks that the he needs at least 2 or 3 years of development of his game to make the league. possibly even 5 years. so, since he is being paid well, he took a year to prepare and get to a level where he can compete at near SEC level and then have plenty of eligibility (years of earning NIL) left.
coach, realizing that chest is as NBA level athlete, but lacks a shot and the ability to create, agrees that a year in the program eating right, lifting weights, shooting, and learning offensive techniques, would be useful for both chest and the program. so he redshirts.
where is the flaw in this theory?
Posted on 12/24/24 at 3:45 pm to king47
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It’s an absolute travesty that a team who was desperate for athleticism especial down low, had a Corey Chest just wasting away on the sidelines.
Chest with a year of development is still insanely raw. Have you watched the games this season? He's a great energy guy for dunks and blocks, but he needs a ton of development to be a full time dependable player.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 4:17 pm to Madking
quote:
Cam
Hannibal
Ward
Phillips
Arguably Fountain
What exactly is the "pattern" you see here???
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 12/24/24 at 5:52 pm to mmcgrath
All poorly evaluated
Posted on 12/24/24 at 5:56 pm to jamarr
I’d say its flaw is that it doesn’t come anywhere near the standards of arguments you’ve dismissed out of hand.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:02 pm to Madking
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I’d say its flaw is that it doesn’t come anywhere near the standards of arguments you’ve dismissed
didn't mean to dismiss anything I was asking for you to clarify your points, I kept asking questions over and over each more polite than the last.
it appears that your position on this is secret, which is fine, we all have secrets. if your opinion isn't secret, then could you explain how your analysis of chest is so astute? did you watch his practices last season and knew with certainty that he was ready?
how do you know he didn't need some practice and improved over the last year? it doesn't seem that implausible that a person who practices could improve.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 6:30 pm to jamarr
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it is fair to say you are a better judge of chest's talent than coach McMahon, given your time at practice and general scouting skill?
Coaches play the less talented players all the time. They aren't infallible.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 7:15 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Coaches play the less talented players all the time. They aren't infallible.
let me know who said otherwise and we can yell at them together.
when this happens, when coaches are making an error and playing the wrong people, how do you know?
I asked a yes or no questions:
it is fair to say you are a better judge of chest's talent than coach McMahon, given your time at practice and general scouting skill?
so the answer is sometimes yes, yeah? and in this case Corey chest was super good and should have played? how do you know that?
it is fair to say you are a better judge of chest's talent than coach McMahon, given your time at practice and general scouting skill?
I have asked this yes on no question like 8 times with no one willing to answer.
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