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re: Matt mctrash defenders
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:00 am to Christianb1999
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:00 am to Christianb1999
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Imagine watching LSU lose 1 game to Vandy & melting so hard you create an account to post this
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Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:07 am to Big4SALTbro
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It’s also funny they believe MM is better X and o guy than Wade and Wade could only recruit despite him having very detailed advanced analytics he used to game plan.
What does advanced analytics have anything to do with X's and O's? We literally we're a 1 on 1 team with Wade. We've lost 2 of our top 5 options to begin the year and still sit at 11-3. They will adjust. I would like to see Chest get some more run at the 5 but he can't shoot, and you don't get as good of screens with Collins out there either. R. Miller is going to have to grow up pretty quickly.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:11 am to Mandtgr47
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Talent matters. If you want to blame that on him, that's fine (I don't know what LSU is doing in the NIL game in men's basketball). The dude can bench coach with the best of them, but the fact is they are at the bottom of talent in the SEC.....and losing Reed was HUGE. If you could combine Wade's ability to get talent, with McMan ability with X's and O's.....we would be very good. It was a tough loss, but we have no idea about Vandy yet. I do know that there are about 5 or 6 teams that LSU isn't touching home or away (Tenn, Auburn, Bama, KY, Florida) and another 3 or 4 that we probably can't beat. At the end of the day, he could be the greatest bench coach every, but if he doesn't have the Jimmy's and Joe's, he aint winning in this league. Period.
So tired of seeing this shite. Recruiting is the one thing he has done well. 2 of the three combined recruiting classes (HS & transfer) so far have been top 25 with another top 25 HS class next year. He has objectively out-recruited teams like Florida, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, South Carolina and Vanderbilt. Yet, unlike these other teams except for Vandy, we have yet to sniff a tournament bid and look to be in the exact same situation we were in in his first year. At some point, you have to win with what you have and Mcmahon to this point has proven that he is not capable of doing that. I have tried to be positive about the program and support Mcmahon. I have season tickets, donate to the program, and have met Mcmahon on multiple occasions. But I love LSU basketball too much to support a coach that to this point has proven that he can't get it done beyond the mid-major level
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 9:49 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:18 am to JWill409
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We've lost 2 of our top 5 options to begin the year and still sit at 11-3. They will adjust.
You 'lost' Ward before the season even started because he got passed up in the lineup. If he was truly one of your top 5, then he wouldn't have gotten his minutes cut and would still be on the team. Nearly every team has injuries at some point in the season. If you built your roster to where one injury can derail a season, then you have built a house of cards that is waiting to come tumbling down. Reed went down over a month ago. They have played 6 games without him. If they haven't adjusted by now, its going to be too late by the time they finally do
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 9:51 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:29 am to Aforem7
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You 'lost' before the season even started because he got passed up in the lineup.
Agreed on this, I think Ward was passed up and wasn't going to get as much PT. How much that has to do with his leave of absence is purely speculative but having attended a couple of pre-season scrimmages he participated in he was definitely fighting for minutes.
As for Reed we can speculate as to the significance for sure, and I'd love to have him. How many SEC wins does everyone think he's worth if he's playing vs. not. He was averaging 11.5 pts and 6.5 rebs a game. Are we a bubble contender with him on the roster?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:29 am to Mandtgr47
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The dude can bench coach with the best of them... with McMan ability with X's and O's
Ahh the "great X's and O's" narrative. Often repeated, but never actually explained. Please, explain what makes the "X's and O's" so great...because nearly every singled statistical data point suggest otherwise.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:30 am to JWill409
That’s simply incorrect. We’re much more 1 on 1 under McMahon with single action sets. Wade ran a lot of different stuff and multiple sets that transitioned into one another. We didn’t lose Ward McMahon just didn’t like him from the start and only played him when he was out of options then finally just pushed him out.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:33 am to Aforem7
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. Reed went down over a month ago
Even with Reed , this team would finish at most 5 wins in conference play
Posted on 1/6/25 at 9:46 am to Alt26
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The fanbase WANTS to support the program. The crowd on Saturday was the best crowd of the season in terms of attendance. But when you've lost ~70% of your games against major conf. opponents you are going to have a hard time generating consistent support...no matter how much "carnival barking" you do. That's not unique to LSU. That's every fan base, in every sport, everywhere.
I would say this Alt, we can win at a fairly reasonable clip and still have a fairly apathetic fan base here, I've seen it before. The fact that we are calling what we had Saturday a "good crowd" is part of that. I mean yeah, for us that was good....but.....
I think we honestly need both winning and a dynamic personality. I mean hell, we made the tourney 5 years in a row under WW and he did have that personality and it was still IMHO lukewarm support relatively speaking.
It's going to be a real challenge to change the basketball culture. I wish it was a simple as just winning.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:17 am to duckblind56
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Then don't watch
BR feels the same about going to the games. P-Mac is sad and it will be empty by the middle of SEC play.
So how many SEC games do you sunshine pumpers think this dumpster fire will win? I say 3-4 tops.
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 10:24 am
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:20 am to Tiger Ugly
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I would say this Alt, we can win at a fairly reasonable clip and still have a fairly apathetic fan base here, I've seen it before. The fact that we are calling what we had Saturday a "good crowd" is part of that. I mean yeah, for us that was good....but.....
That's because since the early 90's LSU had rarely had consistent success. The final year of the Brown era were bad. The first few years of Brady were too. Then, he (tied) for the SEC title in 2000. The fans were there...then he immediately finished last in the league the next season. He then went to the Final Four in 2006 and started the 2007 season in the top 10. The fans were ready to jump back on....and the team finished last in the league again.
Johnson won in year 1...then was awful the following 2 seasons. Jones started to build excitement, which was supposed to culminate in the 2015 season (Simmons year). He underachieved with Simmons and then tanked the program the following season.
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I think we honestly need both winning and a dynamic personality. I mean hell, we made the tourney 5 years in a row under WW and he did have that personality and it was still IMHO lukewarm support relatively speaking.
There were factors outside of his (any any coach's control) that played a big role in that.
Wade was starting to build back the support with the 2019 SEC championship. LSU generally averaged around 8k - 9k (actual) in 2020...then the world lost its mind. No NCAA Tournament in 2020 and limited attendance in 2021. He was starting to get it back in 2022...then he was fired.
Like most places it is going to take sustained winning for any HC to get the sustained support. Guys like Oats and Pearl didn't get it immediately. They do now because they win big (or at least relative to the history of Auburn and Alabama basketball). Pearl is a showman...but Auburn fans wouldn't show up just for that if he were losing. Oats really isn't. He's more of an acerbic A-hole...but he gets results and the fanbase supports him.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:25 am to Madking
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That’s simply incorrect. We’re much more 1 on 1 under McMahon with single action sets. Wade ran a lot of different stuff and multiple sets that transitioned into one another. We didn’t lose Ward McMahon just didn’t like him from the start and only played him when he was out of options then finally just pushed him out.
No he didn’t. What different stuff and multiple sets did he run besides high pick and roll? We were constantly running pick and roll and when that wasn’t available we would reset and go 1 on 1. Please provide me the offenses we ran under Wade. There may have been a few designed plays, but we didn’t have a system.
We lost Ward because he was selfish and quit.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 10:55 am to JWill409
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We literally we're a 1 on 1 team with Wade.
LSU is under McMahon as well.
LSU is presently ranked 269th in assist per made FG (second lowest in the SEC, just in front of Missouri). Last year LSU finished the season 310th in that category...second to lowest in the SEC. That means, overwhelmingly, when LSU is making shots it's not coming via a pass.
On Saturday LSU made 24 FGs. They had 5 assists....TOTAL
Posted on 1/6/25 at 11:00 am to Alt26
The LSU MBB current situation... is dire. It's looking like a lost campaign already.
Did you know that LSU on Saturday:
1. Lost to an UNRANKED SEC team (the only one to do so)
2. Lost an SEC game at home (the only SEC team to do so).
3. Lost a regular-season game to Vandy for the first time in umpteen years
What games on our remaining schedule are winnable for this team?
Did you know that LSU on Saturday:
1. Lost to an UNRANKED SEC team (the only one to do so)
2. Lost an SEC game at home (the only SEC team to do so).
3. Lost a regular-season game to Vandy for the first time in umpteen years
What games on our remaining schedule are winnable for this team?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 11:28 am to Alt26
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Like most places it is going to take sustained winning for any HC to get the sustained support. Guys like Oats and Pearl didn't get it immediately. They do now because they win big (or at least relative to the history of Auburn and Alabama basketball). Pearl is a showman...but Auburn fans wouldn't show up just for that if he were losing. Oats really isn't. He's more of an acerbic A-hole...but he gets results and the fanbase supports him.
Of course that's a no brainer, but it's both. If Auburn won the same amount of games it did since 2014 with Ben Howland as head coach there would not be the same kind of excitement and enthusiasm, I think you would agree.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:00 pm to JWill409
Again that’s factually inaccurate and more of a description of McMahon’s offense than Wade’s. Normally we’d run a horns look, double screen, reverse the ball into a pick and roll then reverse to a pin down shooter on the backside or some variation of the 3. We ran some isos for forwards with mismatches and high ball screens late in the clock but mostly it was those first 3 in various order. And of course you'd bash Ward because nothing you say has any intent on merit or facts
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:18 pm to Christianb1999
Just pull the plug. The guy just doesn't have it.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:31 pm to Tiger Ugly
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Of course that's a no brainer, but it's both. If Auburn won the same amount of games it did since 2014 with Ben Howland as head coach there would not be the same kind of excitement and enthusiasm, I think you would agree.
It doesn't hurt to have a "promoter" coach. But it's not necessary if you are winning. Look at Tennessee. Barnes isn't exactly Mr. Personality. But when you are the #1 team in the country the fans don't care.
If you cross other sports at LSU you see that winning is really all that matters. D.D. Breaux has a big personality. No one showed up to the gym meets until they started winning. Jay Clark doesn't have a huge personality. Yet, the PMAC is still full.
Just win consistently. That's really all any fanbase wants.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 12:44 pm to Alt26
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It doesn't hurt to have a "promoter" coach. But it's not necessary if you are winning. Look at Tennessee. Barnes isn't exactly Mr. Personality. But when you are the #1 team in the country the fans don't care.
No it does not hurt, in fact it helps.....it brings excitement. Attendance at Auburn went up 2000 per game Pearl's first year, even though they sucked, just like season ticket sales went up thousands before Kim ever coached a game here. The excitement at both places went up exponentially that first year.
Force of personality creates excitement which in turn helps with recruiting, helps with interest and helps build a winner and helps build a winner faster.
Being No. 1 will definitely increase interest and excitement and attendance, but you gotta get there first - a dynamic salesman can build an environment to help you get there faster than a coach just as good at all else, but who has no charisma.
The apathy here is really bad. If it was another situation I'd say just win and that would be enough, but just winning has a lot of nuance to it - it's a bit more complicated here I think.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 1:14 pm to Madking
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Again that’s factually inaccurate and more of a description of McMahon’s offense than Wade’s. Normally we’d run a horns look, double screen, reverse the ball into a pick and roll then reverse to a pin down shooter on the backside or some variation of the 3. We ran some isos for forwards with mismatches and high ball screens late in the clock but mostly it was those first 3 in various order. And of course you'd bash Ward because nothing you say has any intent on merit or facts
That's exactly my point. Those are plays. I'm talking about a system. We had no system with Wade. If we had one, I'd like to hear about it. McMahon runs a 1-4 ball screen motion offense with a rip series. Very similar to the philosophies of Jay Wright, with back door cuts, penetrate and dish and finishing off two feet.
Bash Ward? I just stated facts, he quit. Is there any other information you know that I dont??
This post was edited on 1/6/25 at 1:15 pm
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