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re: March Madness Shows How Far Away LSU Basketball Is
Posted on 3/19/16 at 2:05 pm to T1gerWonder
Posted on 3/19/16 at 2:05 pm to T1gerWonder
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It's nice to have a Simmons caliber player, but when Darcy is the guy coming off the bench, we are not as talent as we appear
4 years and that's the caliber player Jones has on the bench. So what is he actually good at? Certainly not recruiting or coaching.
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Posted on 3/19/16 at 2:14 pm to Finch
Absolutely. Don't get me wrong, it's absolutely up to a coach to get 100% out of his team.
But some guys are self motivated and have that burning desire to win with or without the coach's help.
But some guys are self motivated and have that burning desire to win with or without the coach's help.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 2:23 pm to dgnx6
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4 years and that's the caliber player Jones has on the bench. So what is he actually good at? Certainly not recruiting or coaching.
He's landed some big names, but also seems more than a few schollies given to kids who at this point you wonder if they will ever contribute significantly now 2-3 years in the program.
If one wants to say this team was not as talented as advertised, I can buy that up to a point. But if one wants to say the disappointment with this team rests solely on that, then, IMHO those who imply this didn't really watch this team play.
It is so much deeper in my view and to me obvious.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 2:27 pm to Finch
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You can't teach effort as a coach but you can inspire people to give you 100% all of the time
I firmly believe that a coach can teach effort. Back in my coaching days, we had an expression, "the easiest way to motivate is to get rid of the unmotivated." Problem with that is a lot of coaches are afraid to get rid of talented players. Once you get rid of a few, the line is drawn in the sand and players have to decide to either get with the program or get packing. That is the moment where the culture is created or not.
The problem with Johnny is that he already had that line in the sand moment. He released Hickey and some other players that weren't buying into his program. Its obvious that the line in the sand moment didn't work for Johnny. Tim Quarterman sure has hell hasn't bought in from that moment.
This post was edited on 3/19/16 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 3/19/16 at 2:35 pm to camplsu
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The problem with Johnny is that he already had that line in the sand moment.
Yeah camp, I don't know if it's just his personality or his demeanor, presence...whatever you might want to attribute it to.
It just seems to me he cannot command the respect to get his players to consistently be accountable. The behavior will change for a game or even two sometimes, but the same issues always seem to return.
Johnny's a nice guy. Everybody likes him. That's how he got this job. And maybe in the end that will be his undoing. Too nice to take him seriously?
Posted on 3/19/16 at 2:39 pm to Tiger Ugly
Coaches have to be assholes to a certain degree. There is not one ounce of a-hole in Johnny and that is the root of his issue.
I think it was the American game where we came out and played good D because you could tell that the coaching staff was emphasizing it. But low and behold the next game we were back to the same old lazy shite.
Part is we don't teach anything well. But you have to be an a-hole as a coach and demand what you are teaching out of your players. Johnny simply can't get it done.
I think it was the American game where we came out and played good D because you could tell that the coaching staff was emphasizing it. But low and behold the next game we were back to the same old lazy shite.
Part is we don't teach anything well. But you have to be an a-hole as a coach and demand what you are teaching out of your players. Johnny simply can't get it done.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 2:49 pm to camplsu
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I think it was the American game where we came out and played good D because you could tell that the coaching staff was emphasizing it. But low and behold the next game we were back to the same old lazy shite.
Yes, I actually remember that, but I think actually we only played D that way the first half...like "see told you we could do it" and the second half was back to meh.
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Part is we don't teach anything well. But you have to be an a-hole as a coach and demand what you are teaching out of your players. Johnny simply can't get it done.
yeah, up until this year my take was that CJJ knows hoops at, at least a serviceable level. But he just can't get the kids to do what he asks consistently.
I still feel that's the biggest issue, but some things this year have me thinking maybe his coaching acumen isn't even as good as the modest credit I gave him.
But not having seen practices and such I can't credibly go that far. Sure looks that way though.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 4:52 pm to Tiger Ugly
Just no accountability and the things every coach should stress (defense, rebounding, passing and catching, boxing out, etc) just soar over this team's head.
Johnny occasionally gets fired up but just listening to him speak in the huddle, it's clear he doesn't get through to them. All the guys just kinda sit there, have a drink and towel off.
Hopefully Jenkins can bring some Shavon Coleman edge and Victor and Blakeney can be young leaders.
Johnny occasionally gets fired up but just listening to him speak in the huddle, it's clear he doesn't get through to them. All the guys just kinda sit there, have a drink and towel off.
Hopefully Jenkins can bring some Shavon Coleman edge and Victor and Blakeney can be young leaders.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 5:58 pm to Tiger Ugly
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but I think actually we only played D that way the first half..
Haha. You are probably right about that.
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yeah, up until this year my take was that CJJ knows hoops at, at least a serviceable level. But he just can't get the kids to do what he asks consistently. I still feel that's the biggest issue, but some things this year have me thinking maybe his coaching acumen isn't even as good as the modest credit I gave him.
This. It doesn't matter how much you know as a coach. It only matters what your players know. For four years now our players have been pretty consistent in playing dumb lazy basketball.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 6:22 pm to camplsu
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dumb lazy basketball
you mean when everyone stands around? yeah, that is frustrating.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 7:34 pm to S
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Hopefully Jenkins can bring some Shavon Coleman
Man Coleman didn't need motivation did he. He came ready to play. I remember that Seton Hall game Johnny's first year. We were down 14 at home and went press even though we'd never practiced it. Shavon knew how to play it and played it as well as anyone. He and Morgan made that press go with the way they trapped. Must have learned it in AAU ball or maybe in Coleman's case Junior College.
quote:Victor brought more than I thought he would scoring, but was disappointed he didn't rebound more consistently and very disappointed in his defense. He just didn't move sometimes, and while he got some tough calls at times, that's not enough to excuse that. Needs to show he can improve those areas IMHO then maybe he can prove a worthy leader.
Victor and Blakeney can be young leaders.
Blakeney showed me he's already a leader. Just not sure if he's coming back or not. Hope he is.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 7:42 pm to camplsu
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For four years now our players have been pretty consistent in playing dumb lazy basketball.
Unfortunately, I'm in agreement here camp. I think the first year you had a senior who had started for a tournament team in Carmouche and a player who needed no motivation to play balls out in Coleman and the negative culture didn't quite paralyze us right away.
I don't think it was a miracle like some did that first year just because Tuba played 8-10 minutes a game, but I thought at least we held serve.
But IMHO we haven't really held serve talent to production since, culminating in a derailment this year that was embarrassing.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 8:15 pm to Tiger Ugly
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culminating in a derailment this year that was embarrassing.
The biggest issue I have now moving forward with Johnny is that his recruiting culminated in this season. He had to do well with Simmons and Blakeney to keep momentum and get any one and done caliber players like that in the future. Well let's just say that isn't happening again under Johnny.
Johnny has lost any and all credibility he had on the recruiting trail with the way this season blew up in his face. We need to cut ties as soon as possible because i don't think any high school kid is going to want to come here anymore after we became a national punchline.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 8:28 pm to Tiger Ugly
No effort, no sets, no movement..watching this tourney tells me how fricking bad the lsu offense really was
This post was edited on 3/19/16 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 3/20/16 at 11:35 am to camplsu
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The biggest issue I have now moving forward with Johnny is that his recruiting culminated in this season. He had to do well with Simmons and Blakeney to keep momentum and get any one and done caliber players like that in the future. Well let's just say that isn't happening again under Johnny.
Yeah, you get all these yahoos in the media and elsewhere saying, "see you have to go to Kentucky, Duke or Carolina if you are a one and done." That's hogwash. There are other coaches and programs that could handle that just fine. But the precedent has been set now that there's one place you should not go...and it's LSU under CJJ.
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We need to cut ties as soon as possible because i don't think any high school kid is going to want to come here anymore after we became a national punchline.
I'm not a fire the coach guy, but IMHO it looks right now unsalvageable for CJJ per the points you made and the culture as it now seems to exist. But you and I both know it ain't happening this year.
Let's just hope if and when, the process and people hiring the next coach or fundamentally and completely different from the last.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 12:49 pm to LSUButt
Yeah.....looking at some of the top teams in this tourney tells you why we're not good....even teams like Steven F Austin are fundamentally better than LSU.......and more exciting to watch, too.....
Posted on 3/20/16 at 6:02 pm to tiggah1981
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No effort, no sets, no movement
And after the game CJJ said the shots just weren't falling.
From my view they were poor shots born of what looked like an offense with no plan and no sense of purpose.
And if their was a plan it was either ignored or not understood. Concerning either way.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 6:12 pm to LSUButt
The team was plenty talented enough to play in the tournament. Their lack of discipline, poise, leadership, teamwork, effort, fight and resolve was substantially lacking.
Guess who that falls on?
Guess who that falls on?
Posted on 3/20/16 at 6:16 pm to LSUbase13
NO IT DONT LOL
WE WERE IN THE TOURNEY LAST YEAR
WHY R YALL STILL ON BASKETBALL?? TALK ABOUT THAT MEDIOCRE BASEBALL TEAM.
WE WERE IN THE TOURNEY LAST YEAR
WHY R YALL STILL ON BASKETBALL?? TALK ABOUT THAT MEDIOCRE BASEBALL TEAM.
Posted on 3/20/16 at 6:17 pm to HostileHostage
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NO IT DONT LOL
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WHY R YALL STILL ON BASKETBALL??
Are you a 12 year old girl?
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