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re: Many around the program – and outside of it – compare the scheme Ensminger is implementing

Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:16 pm to
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:16 pm to
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He didn't tinker with Canada's offense? Did I just imagine that?

he told him to simplify it, which considering how disjointed the offense looked early in the season, is pretty good advice.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:19 pm to
Old considering how ducked the offense looked vs Troy is seems like shite advice. Maybe he should have made his fricking players learn a fricking play.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:21 pm to
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That was just his first full season at the helm. What crazy fan base wants to fire the coach after one season when the team finished 9-4 his first season?


Did I slip into a parallel universe? Didn’t we fire the coach with the highest winning percentage in school history because he was losing 3-4 games? I mean he was almost fired after an 8-3 season in 2015 or did that happen in my other universe.

And this is another thing that I don’t know why you can’t understand, but just because people are critical doesn’t mean we want him fired NOW!!! I didn’t want him hired but that’s different, he was so now we have to give him a few years so long as he doesn’t completely tank (a losing season is grounds for immediate termination
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:22 pm to
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Maybe he should have made his fricking players learn a fricking play.


yes and the OC plays a big role in that as well. If he can't get them to learn his plays maybe it is time to simplify it.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
77974 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:26 pm to
But I’d didn’t fricking work!

And honestly why would you believe what a coach says after a fricking frick yo like losing to Troy?

If something AWEFUL happens and the person in charge says they made a tiny tweak, 99.999999999% they fricked everything up and are mitigating damages. The offense looked completely different could score on a fricking sunbelt team. I dont Believe o just said “just simplify it a little bit”
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 11:35 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:30 pm to
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that there fan base , pretty much like any other fan base, is not calling for the head of their first year head coach.


Their fan base doesn’t expect anything, they certainly wouldn’t have fired someone with Miles record, but let this serve as more proof of how the standards have been lowered we are now comparing ourselves to Minnesota a program that hasn’t won the Big 10 since the Kennedy administration

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maybe they had injuries or a young team, now that is something that does sound familiar


And yet they managed to not lose to Sun Belt level team, all their losses were to conference teams.

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Maybe you don't see it happening but perhaps you should give him a chance and see what does happen
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You keep saying this like we have a choice? Nothing I say or believe has any impact on who the coach is
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:38 pm to
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What crazy fan base wants to fire the coach after one season when the team finished 9-4 his first season?


The same one that wants to fire a NC championship winning coach after a 9-3 season.

Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:44 pm to
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yes and the OC plays a big role in that as well. If he can't get them to learn his plays maybe it is time to simplify it.



The players learned the plays just fine at Pittsburgh. Maybe O and his shorter practices have something to do with it.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 11:46 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
77974 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:47 pm to
Nah man gotta make sure he players are fresh. Running around not knowing what your fricking doing really takes it out on you.

Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 12:15 am to
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he told him to simplify it, which considering how disjointed the offense looked early in the season, is pretty good advice.

The players said they were actually running plays from 2016 during the Troy game.

Pat Narduzzi said Canada's offense was simpler and more productive for Pitt than Jim Chaney's was the year before.

Jim Chaney had a freshman QB running his offense in the national championship game.

Maybe Orgeron's advice wasn't "pretty good". Maybe he still hasn't learned to let his coaches coach.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 12:23 am to
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The players learned the plays just fine at Pittsburgh. Maybe O and his shorter practices have something to do with it.


we have SEC players from southern public high schools, they don't. The players we get, who are probably more physically talented than Pittsburgs, seemed to be having quite a bit of trouble leaning the plays
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 12:48 am
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16102 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 12:26 am to
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he same one that wants to fire a NC championship winning coach after a 9-3 season.


nope, we fired him after an 8-5 season followed by a 9-3 season followed by a 2-2 start to a season while clinging to a retro offense.
edit: not to mention terrible SEC records in recent years.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 12:27 am
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 12:44 am to
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but let this serve as more proof of how the standards have been lowered we are now comparing ourselves to Minnesota a

not comparing our program to Minnesotas but how their fan base reacts, who did far worse, as first year coach vs how our fans base reacts.
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nd yet they managed to not lose to Sun Belt level team, all their losses were to conference teams

yet they still finished 5-7 after going 9-4 the previous year.
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You keep saying this like we have a choice? Nothing I say or believe has any impact on who the coach is
so what is the point of coming on here and shitting on him day after day after day? Just makes it seem like aren't interested in what he actually does do.
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31906 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 1:09 am to
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followed by a 9-3 season


You just agreed with what that guy said.


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while clinging to a retro offense.


I agree. This was the reason Miles was let go. He didn't adapt his offense after he said he would numerous times.


I would venture to say that winning two SEC Championships, a National Championship and the appearance at another National Championship game earned him a little latitude from the higher ups.





But back to the subject, O doesn't have that luxury. O has not won an SEC Championship, nor has he won the west side of the SEC. He sells a big game but the results 8 out of 10 times fall short.


That is why he gets what he's getting on here. I guarantee you it's not because people want to see LSU fail. Any rational fan can see that he isn't the man for the job.


He says one thing and sells everyone on his plan and then he doesn't produce results on the field. It happens 80% of the time, and that's just in his first year as HC. The Auburn win was a huge win, no doubt but after that, it was weak teams until the bowl game. He finished with a 9-4 season, one loss more than what Miles was let go for and 3-2 in the first 5 weeks. You just said that Miles went 2-2 in 2016 and lost to the likes of Wisconsin and Auburn, when we could've won both at the last second if Brandon Harris doesn't throw the pick and Chark makes that catch at Auburn before time expires. That is a far cry from losing to Mississippi State by 30 and Troy in the first 5 weeks. And don't forget Syracuse put a scare in everyone.

Look at his first year. He got run over by a perennial SEC doormat by 30 and lost to a Sunbelt team at night on Homecoming. Not taking anything from Troy, but the talent on the LSU sidelines and the Troy sidelines do not equal one another.

The upcoming schedule is a lot tougher than last year and some fans have already decided to use the "but the schedule was too tough and we're still a young team."

O knew the expectations, he said it himself. If he can't sustain the success of his predecessor, then the leash should be very short, that's why he was hired. This wasn't supposed to be a rebuilding, he said that as well and welcomed the expectations.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 2:23 am
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47944 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 2:18 am to
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just have to disagree with everything in that sentence 


how?

you repeatedly bashed the last coach on issues you deemed warranted but you have a problem with posters questioning this coach(a proven failure).


Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47944 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 2:28 am to
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you constantly bash O without even giving him a chance  


i gave him a chance.

he had 52 4 and 5 star players
returning senior qb
returning all sec rb
the best coordinators money could buy
the easiest schedule he will probably ever have at lsu

and he lost 4 games. 2 in historic fashion
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then go cheer for another program. 


if you bashed the most accomplished coach in lsu history then go cheer for another program.

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Just sit back, support the program,

i am.
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reasonably knock Orgeron with constructive criticism


nothing i post about O is unreasonable

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but don't try to go out your way to shite on him and thus the team by extension, 


where was this stance during the last regime? the fact that you cant see the hypocrisy is astounding.

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Did anyone really expect we would last season




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What crazy fan base wants to fire the coach after one season when the team finished 9-4 his first season?

we fired one of the most accomplished coaches in sec history because he was losing 4 games
its warranted when we were sold a win now campiagn. if lsu did have to rebuild then Ed Orgeron shouldve never been hired. there isnt a single shred of evidence that points to O being able to build a program. hell there is no evidence that O can build a successful defense.He has never in his life had a top 14 recruiting class for his own program.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 2:29 am
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47944 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 2:32 am to
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erhaps, unless they get an 8 game interview where you get to actually observe them up close and personal coaching the actual team they are going to be coaching which was the case with Orgero


there are a lot of coaches that could have average success if the dont have to...
hire the staff
chose schemes
have a hand in star players already on campus.

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problems that he was in the process of getting fixe


bullshite

Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31906 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 2:34 am to
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i gave him a chance.




I gave him several. Probably more than I should have.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47944 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 2:38 am to
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so what is the point of coming on here and shitting on him day after day after day? Just makes it seem like aren't interested in what he actually does do


oh the irony......

what was the point of you bashing the most accomplished coach in lsu history
day after day?


its amazing how many posters are ok with losing 4 games as long as miles isnt the coach.


You bashing miles= warranted and fine with it

Us posting facts about O = unwarranted and there is no need for it

please tell me you see the hypocrisy.

the only difference in the 2 situations was you were bashing one of the most accomplished coaches in sec history and we are bashing a proven failure.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47944 posts
Posted on 3/29/18 at 2:41 am to
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ot to mention terrible SEC records in recent years


2011 to the day he was fired lsu was 2nd in the west in sec wins and 2nd in the sec in overall sec wins.

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