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re: Many around the program – and outside of it – compare the scheme Ensminger is implementing
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:19 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:19 pm to Goldrush25
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f he'd said it was a rebuild from the beginning, ok. But he knows he would've never have been hired if he campaigned on rebuild, because what has he rebuilt?
are you sure
Fleck was hired with the idea to "rebuild"?
After all Minnesota was 9-4 the previous season and the HC was let go due to a sex scandal.
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:21 pm to TigerLunatik
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Exactly, if that's the case, I'm super qualified and I'll do it for a third of what they're paying him.
really, were you an interim HC at two schools the level of USC and LSU?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:22 pm to boxcar willie
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that "evidence" as you call it, was 10 years ago at a traditionally weak SEC school. A lot has happened since then.
from 1997- to the day O was hired Ole Miss had 1 season .500 or below.
o then proceeded to have the worst tenure ever at ole miss.
i find it funny that you want us to just forget about a head coaches resume.its literally the only thing coaches are judged by.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:23 pm to bengalfan50
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We had that last year before a bazillion dollar buy out......
so you really wanted to keep the devisive thin skinned Canada and his not ready for prime time offense?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:25 pm to Imber
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think it should matter to you when you put things into context, because he's following the exact same script here down to the job interview.
really, didn't realize ensminger and Aranda were his Coordinators at Ole Miss.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:26 pm to boxcar willie
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really, were you an interim HC at two schools the level of USC and LSU?
No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:28 pm to Goldrush25
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lot of people said it. Let O hire great coordinators, he'll stay out of the way, and the sky's the limit for LSU football.
"a lot of people"? Sounds like important people to me. No coach is going to "stay out the way" but I agree with the rest of your statement (or their statement whoever "they" are)
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:30 pm to Mayhawman
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n 2015/'16 the narrative was just get Miles out of the way and it was instant CFP with this team
Miles last 2.5 years the mantra was...
-lsu is one of the 3 most talented rosters in cfb.
-any idiot can win 10 games with this talent
-miles is literally the only thing stopping lsu from winning a NC
-miles is literally the only thing stopping our offense from going beast mode
- questioning the coach is warranted
-losing to bama is unacceptable
after miles is fired.....
-woh woh.this is a rebuild
- you expect 10 wins?
- you crap lsu fans.. you expect to play for a title?
-canada is what was holding back the offense
-you question O? go cheer for another program
- be happy that we outgained bama in 2017. wbo cares that we havent had lead against bama for a single second in 2 years and we have been down by 2 possessions more time than we have been tied
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:31 pm to boxcar willie
He gets way too much credit for those 2 interim seasons.
Both teams were full of talent and simply played a little better.. yet he still lost 4 games. between the two shortened season..
He was 12-4 between those two talented teams.
He lost 4 total games last season including the bowl game. No improvement. Had us beat by Troy at home which never happens and blown out by Miss St, which never happens.
Oh well.
Both teams were full of talent and simply played a little better.. yet he still lost 4 games. between the two shortened season..
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After receiving much praise for their upset win at home over highly ranked Stanford, the Trojans suffered a humiliating 35–14 defeat to cross-town-rivals UCLA—for the second year in a row—on November 30, 2013. This greatly threatened Orgeron's chances of winning the permanent head coach position. The Trojans were 6–2 under Orgeron, finishing the regular season with a 9–4 record. On December 2, 2013, ESPN reported that another former USC assistant coach under Pete Carroll—Washington head coach Steve Sarkisian—had accepted USC's offer to become the next Trojans head coach.[20] After Orgeron was passed over for the job, he resigned.[21] LSU
He was 12-4 between those two talented teams.
He lost 4 total games last season including the bowl game. No improvement. Had us beat by Troy at home which never happens and blown out by Miss St, which never happens.
Oh well.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:33 pm to boxcar willie
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really, were you an interim HC at two schools the level of USC and LSU?
you and i have run as many successful programs as the coach youre defending.
youre my boy but its amazing watching you defend a proven failure after years of bashing the most accomplished coach in lsu history
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:35 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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i find it funny that gou want us to just forget about a head coaches resume.its literally the only thing coaches are judged by.
perhaps, unless they get an 8 game interview where you get to actually observe them up close and personal coaching the actual team they are going to be coaching which was the case with Orgeron. I would put more weight on that than a coaching job he had 10 years ago at a school that seemed to be having a lot of problems that he was in the process of getting fixed. Like someone on here defending Fleck said, you have to hit rock bottom before you go up an a rebuild.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:37 pm to Rickdaddy4188
[quote]its amazing watching you defend a proven failure after years of bashing the most accomplished coach in lsu history [/quote
I just have to disagree with everything in that sentence
I just have to disagree with everything in that sentence
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:55 pm to boxcar willie
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I would put more weight on that than a coaching job he had 10 years ago at a school that seemed to be having a lot of problems that he was in the process of getting fixed. Like someone on here defending Fleck said, you have to hit rock bottom before you go up an a rebuild.
How do we know Orgeron was in the process of getting anything fixed in Oxford? Fine, hit rock bottom before you rebuild, but he somehow got worse by his 3rd season. How is that a promising trajectory for anybody, even Ole Miss?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:57 pm to boxcar willie
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Fleck was hired with the idea to "rebuild"? After all Minnesota was 9-4 the previous season and the HC was let go due to a sex scandal.
Look if you want to be positive about O, that’s fine, but this type comparison is stupid. First of all what is your point? PJ Fleck had a bad first season? WTF does that have to do with LSU? Am I supposed to say well gee a guy some wanted at LSU went 5-7 his first year at Minnesota so there fore it’s perfecly fine we have O, making what I think are poor staff hires, it’s cool he had our worst recruiting class in 15 years, lost 4 games with one of the easiest SEC schedules we’ve had in years because PJ Fleck went 5-7?
I don’t know this is so hard for some of you to comprehend but NOT EVERY SITUATION IS THE SAME. You are talking about Minnesota. At Minnesota 9-4 is pretty much the ceiling. It’s not something they are going to sustain year after year. Given an unexpected coaching change due to scandal a drop off shouldn’t be to surprising maybe they had injuries or a young team, the only bad loss I see is Maryland at home and that was early, the only other home loss was Wisconsin the rest were on the road. Anyway, Fleck having a bad season doesn’t fricking matter to LSU, maybe he flames out, I don’t know or care, it doesn’t change my mind about O only O winning at a high level would do that, unfortunately i don’t see that happening
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:01 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Miles last 2.5 years the mantra was... -lsu is one of the 3 most talented rosters in cfb. -any idiot can win 10 games with this talent -miles is literally the only thing stopping lsu from winning a NC -miles is literally the only thing stopping our offense from going beast mode - questioning the coach is warranted -losing to bama is unacceptable
I don't agree with any of those things other than that Miles/Camerons offense was a hindrance to the team especially against teams with equal or better talent.
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after miles is fired..... -woh woh.this is a rebuild - you expect 10 wins? - you crap lsu fans.. you expect to play for a title? -canada is what was holding back the offense -you question O? go cheer for another program - be happy that we outgained bama in 2017. wbo cares that we havent had lead against bama for a single second in 2 years and we have been down by 2 possessions more time than we have been tied
what I agree with out of that is that 10 wins or better is expected, and we should play for a title (last years team wasn't going to win a title no matter who was the coach, could have brought Belichek in and they weren't going to win a title).
Canada didn't work out for a variety of reasons.
If you constantly bash O without even giving him a chance then go cheer for another program.
Bama is just a better team with way more talent right now but we still can be competitive with them and beat them. here and there.
Just sit back, support the program, reasonably knock Orgeron with constructive criticism where warranted if you feel compelled every now and then if there is a good reason at the time, but don't try to go out your way to shite on him and thus the team by extension, and also just give it a chance and see what unfolds. All those things are still in play. We didn't get a 10 win season his first season at LSU and the team fell short a game, it happens. We didn't make the playoffs last season. Did anyone really expect we would last season? We really didn't have that kind of talent especially in the trenches just yet. And Bama is still going to be a beast to overcome. They just keep getting better. But lets just see what happens. That was just his first full season at the helm. What crazy fan base wants to fire the coach after one season when the team finished 9-4 his first season?
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:01 pm to boxcar willie
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really, didn't realize ensminger and Aranda were his Coordinators at Ole Miss.
Well, his first year at OM he forced an offensive system onto his OC, who didn't know how to run it. He then fired that OC after one season. Sound familiar?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:06 pm to Goldrush25
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Well, his first year at OM he forced an offensive system onto his OC, who didn't know how to run it. He then fired that OC after one season. Sound familiar?
No it doesn't sound familiar. He didn't force anything on his OC and his OC ran his own system and was fired for a variety of reasons.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:07 pm to boxcar willie
He didn't tinker with Canada's offense? Did I just imagine that?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:09 pm to boxcar willie
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That was just his first full season at the helm. What crazy fan base wants to fire the coach after one season when the team finished 9-4 his first season?
What fan base wouldn't be upset if O was their HC?
LSU, while established, should always win at least 8 games on talent alone..
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:12 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Look if you want to be positive about O, that’s fine, but this type comparison is stupid. First of all what is your point?
that there fan base , pretty much like any other fan base, is not calling for the head of their first year head coach.
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maybe they had injuries or a young team,
now that is something that does sound familiar
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only O winning at a high level would do that, unfortunately i don’t see that happening
Maybe you don't see it happening but perhaps you should give him a chance and see what does happen. He isn't going anywhere right now anyway.
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