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re: Many around the program – and outside of it – compare the scheme Ensminger is implementing
Posted on 3/28/18 at 1:46 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 3/28/18 at 1:46 pm to boxcar willie
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that "evidence" as you call it, was 10 years ago at a traditionally weak SEC school. A lot has happened since then.
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 1:48 pm to Goldrush25
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We are going to wait and see. We don't have a choice. But we fired the last guy for being flat so if the current guy keeps the program flat, he has to go too. If we're worse, like win 7 or fewer games, he should be fired immediately.
seems like we are in agreement in that we both agree that we should wait and see what happens.
edit: I wouldn't have any problem if Orgeron was fired, but not until he is given a legitimate shot at the task at hand. Which means giving him two or three years starting from last season.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 1:49 pm to boxcar willie
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that "evidence" as you call it, was 10 years ago at a traditionally weak SEC school. A lot has happened since then.
Yeah, so?
My main assertion about Orgeron is that he is not the guy you want to take a program and make it better, which is what I thought we wanted. OM proved that and thus far the same holds for LSU.
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well if you are going to judge him like that he sure gave himself a big advantage by imploding the team and bringing them down to the cellar his first year there.
That's called rebuilding.
Fleck had a plan and he executed it well.
Orgeron's plan was to compete for championships quickly. He said that, not me. So why are we wrong for holding him to his word?
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 1:59 pm to boxcar willie
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Which means giving him two or three years starting from last season.
Why does he need that much time? In the fall it will have been 2 full years since he took over. You're saying he deserves two more full seasons after this one before we can make a fair determination of his ability?
Who else at a team of our caliber has needed that much time to start challenging for conference titles?
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 1:59 pm to Goldrush25
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That's called rebuilding. Fleck had a plan and he executed it well.
nice plan, bring the team down to the bottom so that the only direction you can go is up. Sweet. They were 9-4 the previous year.
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Orgeron's plan was to compete for championships quickly. He said that, not me. So why are we wrong for holding him to his word?
cool, what's wrong with that? Would rather that be his plan than imploding the team. So why don't we give him a chance here and see if that can happen sometime over the next couple seasons.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:08 pm to Goldrush25
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You're saying he deserves two more full seasons after this one before we can make a fair determination of his ability?
no that's not what I said . I said give him 2 or 3 years starting from last season. So one season down and one or two to go.
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Who else at a team of our caliber has needed that much time to start challenging for conference titles?
I don't know, who? it's not like we have been great in the last few years before he took over. But were you referencing anyone in particular? Urban Meyer at Ohio State is the only one I can think of that did great right away and competed for the NC
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:11 pm to boxcar willie
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The difference is that with Orgeron, you and the other anti O's, have not given him a legitimate shot yet to see what he can do with team.
I don't feel like o gave Canada a legitimate shot to see what he could do with the team. I realize there must have been issues between the two, or perhaps between Canada and other coaches, but I don't give a rat's arse about that. Put your differences aside and do what's best for the team.
O hired the damn man. He should have given him the same chance that o thinks he deserves. He should have given him more time unless he knew he could get someone better. And if o thought Ensminger was a better OC, then why the hell do you hire Canada and waste a full year with his system, not to mention the money he cost LSU.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:14 pm to boxcar willie
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nice plan, bring the team down to the bottom so that the only direction you can go is up. Sweet. They were 9-4 the previous year.
What do you think rebuilding is?
It's the same concept behind fallow fields in farming. You sacrifice a season so that the soil replenishes its minerals and is able to grow crops again.
If the guys that were there weren't a fit for his program, it's best to let him replenish his team with the guys he needs, at which point he'll begin to compete again. He gets the benefit of the doubt because he's rebuilt one program. Same with Kirby Smart. They took a step back initially and now they're better than they ever were with Richt. And he didn't need 4 years to do it.
But that's different from saying you're going to compete for championships quickly, which Orgeron said. This was not Orgeron trying to rebuild, this was him trying to win this past year, and 4 losses was the result.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 3:17 pm to boxcar willie
quote:In 2015/'16 the narrative was just get Miles out of the way and it was instant CFP with this team.
I said give him 2 or 3 years starting from last season. So one season down and one or two to go.
Now the script is flipped to "need to rebuild" an inherited 3yr avg top 5 recruiting class.
How do you begin such a feat? O fails miserably and recruits the worst ranked class since 2002.
I'm not even touching the Eaux-Canada fiasco.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 3:31 pm to Mayhawman
If he'd said it was a rebuild from the beginning, ok. But he knows he would've never have been hired if he campaigned on rebuild, because what has he rebuilt?
Admittedly, I don't know how he convinced him that he's the guy to win quickly either, but that was his entire sell and he sold it, to Alleva's dumb arse anyway.
Admittedly, I don't know how he convinced him that he's the guy to win quickly either, but that was his entire sell and he sold it, to Alleva's dumb arse anyway.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 4:22 pm to Goldrush25
Alleva didn't like getting played by Herman's agent or negotiate with Sexton/Jimbo, So he defaulted to Orgeron because he "really wanted it the most." Never heard an AD introduce a Head Coach and in announcing his credentials for the job he only can talk about his energy, his enthusiasm, and how much he "wanted it" as being reasons to hire him.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 4:24 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
Exactly, if that's the case, I'm super qualified and I'll do it for a third of what they're paying him.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 5:10 pm to boxcar willie
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What he did 10 years ago at Ole Miss really doesn't matter to me.
I think it should matter to you when you put things into context, because he's following the exact same script here down to the job interview.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 5:17 pm to Tiger Ree
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hurry-up, multi-receiver package where the quarterback reads just one person
We had that last year before a bazillion dollar buy out......
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:26 pm to earl keese
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And if o thought Ensminger was a better OC, then why the hell do you hire Canada and waste a full year with his system, not to mention the money he cost LSU.
He's in over his head and has consistently been all over the place in what he says and does.
I still root for LSU to succeed, but I really wish they would hire an x and o's guy as HC.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 6:58 pm to beauchristopher
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He's in over his head and has consistently been all over the place in what he says and does.
I agree.
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I still root for LSU to succeed, but I wish they would hire an x and o's guy as HC.
I agree with this as well. I'll always root for LSU, but I have little to no faith that o is the guy for the job.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 7:53 pm to Mayhawman
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In 2015/'16 the narrative was just get Miles out of the way and it was instant CFP with this team
who in the frick said that? I don't think I ever saw that on here, where did you read or hear that from? That would be pretty stupid to think considering the players he would have to work with and where the program was at.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 7:59 pm to boxcar willie
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who in the frick said that? I don't think I ever saw that on here
A lot of people said it. Let O hire great coordinators, he'll stay out of the way, and the sky's the limit for LSU football.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:01 pm to Goldrush25
Someone transfer boxcar to the rant post 2016 Missouri.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 3/28/18 at 9:56 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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." Never heard an AD introduce a Head Coach and in announcing his credentials for the job he only can talk about his energy, his enthusiasm, and how much he "wanted it" as being reasons to hire him.
Since Orgeron lacked the common credentials that all head coaches at Power 5 Top 20 programs possess, Alleva quickly began highlighting O's key attributes which helped mask his lack of qualifications.
Those credentials that eluded Orgeron when he was hired are still missing today. The harsh truth is that O has yet to accomplish anything of real value for the program and in terms of on field success.
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