re: Many around the program – and outside of it – compare the scheme Ensminger is implementing

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Coaches have studied “a lot of what the Saints are doing” as well,

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Now if only we could get a QB as accurate as Brees to run it!

I hear it’s a blend of the Rams offense under Matrz from the nineties, the 49ers from the 80’s under Walsh, the Colts of the 2000’s under dungy, and the Oregon offense under Kelley. Apparently the QB’s are developing to play like a mix of Warner, Montana, Manning, and Mariota. While they were developing they decided to add the traits of Randall Cunningham and Tom Brady for good measure.

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Minnesota following a 9-4 record that the previous coach had the previous year with the same type players, 

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I'm too lazy look it up, but during the 10 plus years LSU had top 10 recruiting classes, I seriously doubt Minnesota even had one. The fact that the previous coach was able to go 9-4 is more of an indictment to O than a fact to support him. That's just my opinion though. Maybe I expect too much from football because it seems like I'm the only one not freaking out about baseball right now.

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When you take a 1-11 program and build them up to 13-1, you get the benefit of the doubt.

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That record was at W Michigan, a MAC school. His first season at Minnesota he goes 5-7, worst season Minnesota has had in 6 years. At LSU Orgeron goes 9-4, after LSU went 9-4,8-4,8-5 in the previous 3 years. Also 6-2 in SEC which haven't done better since 2011, 6 seasons ago. But Fleck gets "the benefit of the doubt"

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es because he has built a winning program before, whereas O is the Ole Miss version of Curley what is hard to understand about that?

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What he did 10 years ago at Ole Miss really doesn't matter to me. What matters is the present and what he does at LSU, at least that is all I really care about. I'm sure it's the same way for the Minnesota fans. After going 5-7, if they go 4-8 this season and then 3-9 the following year should the Minnesota fans say "but Fleck went 11-1 at W Michigan so he is a great coach here at Minnesota."

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What he did 10 years ago at Ole Miss really doesn't matter to me.

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im suprised that you dont care about the only time O was allowed to make long term decisions at a program.

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What he did 10 years ago at Ole Miss really doesn't matter to me.

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Well yeah, that evidence would suggest he's not a very good coach and you don't want to believe that. I could see why you want to disregard it. There's no statute of limitations on bad coaching, I wouldn't care if it were 30 years ago.

If he had three NC wins you'd care then, wouldn't you?

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After going 5-7, if they go 4-8 this season and then 3-9 the following year should the Minnesota fans say "but Fleck went 11-1 at W Michigan so he is a great coach here at Minnesota."

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It sounds like you're saying that the more evidence that we have, the better assessment we can make of a coach.

Right now, most of Flecks evidence suggests that every team he's on gets better the longer he's there. You're right, if these next two years his teams get worse then that would be new evidence to consider.

So if Orgeron's team is worse this year, that's more evidence that pretty much confirms what OM told us, he's not the coach that can take a team and put them on a positive trajectory.

But I suspect when we're not better this year, we'll have even more excuses from you about why we shouldn't believe what our eyes are seeing.

Because I'm still going off of his previous trajectory, which isn't good. I have to have something to go off of. I'll continue to think he's the same coach until he provides evidence that refutes what I think.

You aren't going off of it because you don't trust that past evidence. Why, I don't know. I believe it's because you want to believe he's good even though he's yet to prove it, which is fine but let's call it what it is.

I'm consistent though. Same with Fleck. If his career begins to resemble losing more than winning, then I'll change my mind, again, as the evidence dictates.

Additionally, this isn't exactly his first year. For most of 2016 he was HC as well, so he had from then until 2017 to show some improvement. He didn't. So if we don't see it this year when exactly are we going to see it?

We're already hearing the excuses for this year though; difficult schedule, unwinnable games. That last one blew my mind. Someone actually said that Orgeron has unwinnable games and that he can't be judged off of that because Miles didn't have unwinnable games.

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Because I'm still going off of his previous trajectory, which isn't good.

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well if you are going off of Orgerons trajectory he is doing pretty good. He improved from what ever he did at Ole Miss to 9-4.

If you are going off of LSU's Trajectory it has remained pretty flat. 9-4, 8-4, 9-3, & 8-5 over the last 4 years. so why don't we wait and see what kind of trajectory we are on and let Orgerons 2nd full season here be an indicator of that?

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well if you are going off of Orgerons trajectory he is doing pretty good. He improved from what ever he did at Ole Miss to 9-4

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That's disingenuous. He didn't take OM and improve them to 9-4. He took a team that won 9 games in Miles' last full season and won 8 in 2016, and 9 in 2017. That's not a demonstration that he can take a team and improve them.

You know this but I suspect that was a sleight of hand to trick some of the simpletons on the board.

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If you are going off of LSU's Trajectory it has remained pretty flat. 9-4, 8-4, 9-3, & 8-5 over the last 4 years. so why don't we wait and see what kind of trajectory we are on and let Orgerons 2nd full season here be an indicator of that?

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We are going to wait and see. We don't have a choice. But we fired the last guy for being flat so if the current guy keeps the program flat, he has to go too. If we're worse, like win 7 or fewer games, he should be fired immediately.