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re: Mainieri says Drost practicing in CF
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:29 am to deaux
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:29 am to deaux
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I feel like you’re intentionally ignoring some of the arguments that have been made above when you ask things like “why isn’t Gio in RF” or “why did Watson play CF with Cabrera in RF”
Just saying
I’ve provided evidence that despite what you guys are claiming, LSU hasn’t ever groomed players in CF so they could move to RF. The top CFers play there as freshmen and do not move.
I’ve watched too much baseball to not know that a CFers job isn’t the toughest job in the OF.
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Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:29 am to doubleb
I can only remember once where the CF wasn’t an established player returning and that was his position so there was much less incentive to move him.. Were Stevenson and Laird both freshmen when they started? I know typically they put the freshmen in LF. PM wants the RF to be experienced. That’s a fact. But we have multiple freshmen looking at two spots now that Gio is out. Yet the best athlete in this class is in RF. That’s not a coincidence.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:29 am to doubleb
quote:I’ve never claimed that they did.
LSU hasn’t ever groomed players in CF so they could move to RF.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:30 am to josh336
Corner OF has the same rules coming in for a ball
There just isn’t as much gray area because there is less space and less players involved.
Leads to more “no man land” balls once you are in CF
There just isn’t as much gray area because there is less space and less players involved.
Leads to more “no man land” balls once you are in CF
This post was edited on 2/26/21 at 9:31 am
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:31 am to doubleb
quote:Because they are good at it. And some guys just lack the arm to play right. Period.
So if RF is so tough, why don’t we see young guys beginning their careers in CF and then moving to RF as they gain experience? Why do the top CFers remain in CF their entire career at LSU?
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:31 am to doubleb
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RF a tougher position to play because you need a better arm.
Do you?
A wise man once told me he would rather a stronger arm in LF than RF. “But the RF has to make the long throw from RF to 3B.” Blah, blah, blah. How many times in a season does a RF have a realistic chance to throw a runner out at 3B? How many times does the difference in a stronger arm and an average arm make the difference in that one scenario?
Now, watch college baseball and see how many more opportunities a LF has a chance to throw out a runner at home as opposed to a RF with a chance. There are more right handed batters, and more singles pulled to LF than base hits to RF.
This post was edited on 2/26/21 at 9:33 am
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:33 am to josh336
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Yall are arguing difficulty vs skill....for several pages...arguing 2 different things
The better the athlete you are, the more plus tools you have, and the better the instincts make any OF position easier.
I think Willie Mays could have played RF, but Babe Ruth couldn’t play CF. It’s because the better athletes play CF.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:33 am to doubleb
To be clear, I have no dog in this fight and have no claimed one argument versus the other. I merely commented that the poster above stated several times that in CF, even if they believe it to be “easier” to play as a fielder, you want your best athlete as it has much more ground to cover. Thus your questions re: why aren’t we putting the fastest players on our team in RF, seem disingenuous.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:34 am to doubleb
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I’ve watched too much baseball to not know that a CFers job isn’t the toughest job in the OF.
I entered the twilight zone when I clicked this thread this morning lol
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:37 am to Choupique19
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Do you?
A wise man once told me he would rather a stronger arm in LF than RF. “But the RF has to make the long throw from RF to 3B.” Blah, blah, blah. How many times in a season does a RF have a realistic chance to throw a runner out at 3B? How many times does the difference in a stronger arm and an average arm make the difference in that one scenario?
Now, watch college baseball and see how many more opportunities a LF has a chance to throw out a runner at home as opposed to a RF with a chance. There are more right handed batters, and more singles pulled to LF than base hits to RF.
Now that is worth debating. You could make that argument but I’m guessing a lot depends on level of play. At the HS level I can see a top arm in LF being more valuable. More RH batters, LF plays deeper, and yes more opportunities at the plate. At the MLB level it changes. But the idea certainly has merit and I can understand where you are coming from.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:38 am to deaux
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To be clear, I have no dog in this fight and have no claimed one argument versus the other. I merely commented that the poster above stated several times that in CF, even if they believe it to be “easier” to play as a fielder, you want your best athlete as it has much more ground to cover. Thus your questions re: why aren’t we putting the fastest players on our team in RF, seem disingenuous.
My questions were to back up your point and mine that the best athletes play CF because it’s the tougher position.
I agree with you.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:39 am to doubleb
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At the MLB level it changes. But the idea certainly has merit and I can understand where you are coming from.
I agree that it changes when you get to MLB.
And as to the “I can understand where you are coming from”, I promise you all the posters on TD would not question the baseball knowledge of the man who I heard that from.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:40 am to doubleb
Are we ever going to get to see Drost pitch or is this going to be like Cabrera all over again?
Wasn’t Florida’s closer their starting CF a few years ago?
Wasn’t Florida’s closer their starting CF a few years ago?
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:40 am to tigerfoot
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Because they are good at it. And some guys just lack the arm to play right. Period.
CFers need plus arms too. The best ones have that. The throw to the plate from CF is longer than any of the other OF positions.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:41 am to doubleb
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So if RF is so tough, why don’t we see young guys beginning their careers in CF and then moving to RF as they gain experience? Why do the top CFers remain in CF their entire career at LSU?
Because speed! Speed is more important in CF. Gio has much better speed than Crews, which is why he's in CF.
The point ell is making is that RF at Alex Box is a harder position to play than CF. He didn't say it, but what he means is discounting range, it's harder. Obviously you want your best defensive outfielder in CF because your best defensive outfielder is blazing fast.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:43 am to Choupique19
quote:
I agree that it changes when you get to MLB.
And as to the “I can understand where you are coming from”, I promise you all the posters on TD would not question the baseball knowledge of the man who I heard that from.
That’s the beauty of the game. What works at one level doesn’t always work at the next level.
You can coach winning coaches pitch and teach kids stuff that wins game, but it’s useless when they grow older.
HS baseball, college baseball, and MLB baseball are all the same, but they are all different. Good coaches know this and adapt.
This post was edited on 2/26/21 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:43 am to ell_13
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PM wants the RF to be experienced. That’s a fact. But we have multiple freshmen looking at two spots now that Gio is out. Yet the best athlete in this class is in RF. That’s not a coincidence.
All the shite you give PM & that is the hill you want to die with him on?
Dude is playing drew Bianco in CF for goodness sake.
You’ve literally spent 10 days telling everyone how dumb he was to play Hellmers at 3B, now all of a sudden you’re going to theorize that he thinks RF is harder to play and actually agree with that
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:44 am to doubleb
quote:in most places it is. And you want your best athlete there simply because it’s a position that requires more speed and many more chances than the other two positions. It’s no different than SS compared to 2B and 3B. Your best athlete is there because of all the chances. Even though it’s debatable that 3B is tougher due to less time to react. Even 2B is tougher in terms of turning a double play where it’s the first throw or covering the bag.
My questions were to back up your point and mine that the best athletes play CF because it’s the tougher position.
I agree with you.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:46 am to Penrod
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The point ell is TRYING to make is that RF at Alex Box is a harder position to play than CF
As far as I’m concerned he hasn’t made it yet.
Now if he said RF is tougher to play at the Box than RF at Lee Hines then I’d agree.
ETA- on further review Lee Hines is similar to the Box.
This post was edited on 2/26/21 at 9:55 am
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:49 am to ell_13
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in most places it is. And you want your best athlete there simply because it’s a position that requires more speed and many more chances than the other two positions. It’s no different than SS compared to 2B and 3B. Your best athlete is there because of all the chances. Even though it’s debatable that 3B is tougher due to less time to react. Even 2B is tougher in terms of turning a double play where it’s the first throw or covering the bag.
I played third base. It’s way tougher to play SS or Second. I had little range, an OK arm and wasn’t afraid to block a ball. Now I played with a wooden bat and not aluminum. But I lacked the skills to play anywhere else. I played on a very good team but I wasn’t every contending for any other position.
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