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re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by tigerfoot on 5/6/19 at 11:10 am to convertedtiger
quote:So they succeeded 97 times out of 100....and you think that is failure
970 fielding percentages. Just examples that YES baseball IS a game of failure.
re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by GA Tiger on 5/6/19 at 11:11 am to Tigerbait357
"Bear" Bryant used to say....
1) "if we win" it's the players who get the credit
2) "If we lose" it's my fault.
1) "if we win" it's the players who get the credit
2) "If we lose" it's my fault.
re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by tigers1956 on 5/6/19 at 11:16 am to GA Tiger
He needs to just retire at the end of the year...
He has divided the fan base that skip built over the years and has sucked the life out of Alex box....he has turned LSU INTO A MEDICORE PROGRAM...
He has divided the fan base that skip built over the years and has sucked the life out of Alex box....he has turned LSU INTO A MEDICORE PROGRAM...
re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by Gaspasr1 on 5/6/19 at 11:17 am to lsupride87
He’s the dumb arse that left him in !
re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by LSURussian on 5/6/19 at 11:19 am to tigers1956
quote:You continue to ignore my question that I've repeatedly asked you.
and has sucked the life out of Alex box.
If life has been sucked out of Alex Box, why did you start a thread before this season started asking about upgrading your season tickets?
ETA: Here it is:
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Baseball tickets upgrade Posted on 1/5/19 at 11:56 am
I put in a request to upgrade my baseball seats...anyone get a call from LSU about this...thanks
LINK
This post was edited on 5/6 at 11:27 am
the quote is not nearly as brutal when you watch the full interview. i do wish Paul would take some responsibility during interviews. But, it wasn't nearly as bad as this thread is acting.
re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by deaux on 5/6/19 at 11:21 am to tigers1956
quote:what programs have surpassed LSU? How many have won more titles than LSU since CPM was hired? How many have played for multiple titles in that timeframe?
he has turned LSU INTO A MEDICORE PROGRAM...
re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by Howyouluhdat on 5/6/19 at 11:22 am to Gee Grenouille
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I have heard that he's a real bundle of joy to deal with
From who?
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At some point this shows up in recruiting.
He's been here like 12 years and we just had the #1 recruiting class come in. I doubt it bud.
This post was edited on 5/6 at 11:23 am
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How many have won more titles than LSU since CPM was hired?
South Carolina and Oregon State
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How many have played for multiple titles in that timeframe?
SC, Org State, Vandy, Virginia, FL
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How many have won more titles than LSU since CPM was hired?
South Carolina and Oregon State
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How many have played for multiple titles in that timeframe?
SC, Org State, Vandy, Virginia, FL
SC: Ray Tanner (retired)
OSU: Pat Casey (retired)
So two HCs have exceeded what CPM has done here and they’re both retired
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re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by PierreTigre7 on 5/6/19 at 11:43 am to GA Tiger
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"Bear" Bryant used to say
Stopped reading there
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So two HCs have exceeded what CPM has done here and they’re both retired
The question posted was
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How many have won more titles than LSU since CPM was hired?
What's being retired got to do with it?
This post was edited on 5/6 at 11:50 am
Right, and you answered the question. Thus the subsequent comment that two HCs have exceeded the number of titles CPM has won at LSU during his tenure.
It just so happens that both of those HCs are now retired.
It just so happens that both of those HCs are now retired.
This post was edited on 5/6 at 11:51 am
re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by lsufball19 on 5/6/19 at 11:58 am to hashtag
Out of curiosity, I went and looked at some post game comments by other coaches around the league after losses. Obviously we have more media coverage than most schools, so tracking down post game comments is scarce in some cases.
Bianco after their loss to us Friday
Bianco after their loss to State
O'Sullivan after loss to UGA
O'Sullivan after getting beat by Ole Miss
Dave Van Horn after losing series to Vandy
Dave Van Horn after losing to Ole Miss
Scott Strickland after loss to Kentucky
Lemonis after losing series to Arkansas
In all the articles I read, I didn't see one comment where the coach took responsibility for a loss. It was always addressing what went wrong in certain aspects of the game and what the team/players should have done differently. It's not all too dissimilar from what Mainieri does. Our fans have just convinced themselves that criticism is unnecessary and equates to throwing someone under the bus. I'm sorry, but these players are grown men and if they can't handle mild criticism, then they picked the wrong profession. This isn't coach pitch.
Bianco after their loss to us Friday
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A handful of defensive mistakes made the night harder than it needed to be for starting pitcher Will Ethridge. Right fielder Anthony Servideo misplayed a fly ball in the second inning that turned into a double and led to LSU's first run of the game. Then, in the sixth inning, Graham let a ball leak under his glove — his second error of the night — to score a runner from first and tag Ethridge with an unearned run. "That's unfortunate," Bianco said of the defensive miscues. "And it happens here. You've got to be able to handle this place. We didn't handle it very well defensively."
Bianco after their loss to State
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"It's disappointing," Ole Miss coach Mike Bianco said. "We haven't played well for a couple of weeks. Collectively. There's times in games in a certain game. But consistently and collectively we haven't played very well. The last two times on the field where the pressure got hot, we didn't handle it. That's not what you're supposed to do when you're a veteran club. So it's been disappointing."
O'Sullivan after loss to UGA
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"It seems like the same thing over and over. We started the game on an 0-2 count, run the count to full and Maxwell runs into a ball and puts them up a run. We threw 35+ pitches in the first inning and were fortunate to get out with only two runs given up. Once again, we walked I think eight guys and hit two more. The one inning we gave up three runs, we started with a walk to the nine-hole hitter hitting .240.
"It's just unfortunate. Offensively I think we were good tonight. We had the tying run at the plate in the eighth and ninth, we only made one error. That's the most surprising thing. We continue to play good defense despite being out there for a fairly long time in a lot of the innings. We're going to continue to work and hope to get over the hump here. Any time we go on the road and practice on Thursday night, the pitchers throw off the mound and get used to the surroundings, so I'm not sure what happened tonight. We just walked too many guys. We've given up a lot of runs on not a lot of hits. Six runs on seven hits tonight; when you give them 10 free baserunners that makes it difficult."
O'Sullivan after getting beat by Ole Miss
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"It was a little bit of everything, to be honest with you. We didn't pitch very well all weekend, particularly to the middle of the order. We fell behind an awful lot and they were in a lot of hitters counts. We gave ourselves a chance in the second game today, had an eight run lead, but obviously weren't able to hold on to it. Made a couple errors, balked three times in that game. It's just one of those games, if we do a couple more things and shut it down in the middle innings there.
Dave Van Horn after losing series to Vandy
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"We had a couple of opportunities ... where we just needed a big hit," Arkansas Coach Dave Van Horn said. "We had the bases loaded and one out down two and we hit a ball off the end of the bat, and then we have a called third strike."
"We got a big hit from Opitz with two outs, but other than that we didn't hit with runners in scoring position," Van Horn said.
Dave Van Horn after losing to Ole Miss
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“We didn’t give ourselves a chance to win the game. I mean, we walked double digits and hit a couple. We fought back in the game and flipped around the momentum, took the lead 5-4 and come out and walk the leadoff man on four pitches – I think they get a hit, I don’t know what happened after that. Next thing you know they score three. We’re down a couple runs. Give them (Ole Miss) credit, they’ve got a good lineup, but you’ve got to make people earn it, you know. I’d rather them have 20 hits than 14 hits and take away 10 of those walks. I can live with that. It’s not throwing the ball over the plate that really made a difference in the game.”
“Just talked about paying attention to details. All the little things, like holding runners. Keeping on runners and just throwing the ball over the plate. Make an adjustment. We’re going to make some adjustments, maybe on who travels. If guys can’t throw it over the plate, we’ll give some other guys opportunities. Little things like that.”
Scott Stricklin after UGA blown out by State
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"The three-run home run hurt us in the first inning,” Stricklin said. “Tony left a breaking ball up, and it kind of put us behind the eight ball. I thought he settled in and pitched really well, especially considering he was pitching with a really bad cut on his finger. He toughed it out and gave us a chance.”
Scott Strickland after loss to Kentucky
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"Zack Thompson was really good. He's going to be a first round pick and eventually pitch in the Big Leagues. We knew it was going to be tough, but our defense let us down. We didn't make some plays behind C.J. (Smith) and Cole (Wilcox) to give them some runs.
Lemonis after losing series to Arkansas
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On what he said to the team after the game
"When you don't pitch and play defense it just makes it hard to compete, especially in an environment like [Arkansas had tonight]. We have to do a better job tomorrow and we have to get a better start [on the mound]. We have some guys left in our bullpen, but as a group and as a whole, we have to come out, play together and give a better effort."
In all the articles I read, I didn't see one comment where the coach took responsibility for a loss. It was always addressing what went wrong in certain aspects of the game and what the team/players should have done differently. It's not all too dissimilar from what Mainieri does. Our fans have just convinced themselves that criticism is unnecessary and equates to throwing someone under the bus. I'm sorry, but these players are grown men and if they can't handle mild criticism, then they picked the wrong profession. This isn't coach pitch.
This post was edited on 5/6 at 12:00 pm
If we are evaluating Mainieri's tenure we can't toss out the results because a coach retired. Just ranking the SEC teams World Series success during his tenure.
1. SC - 2 Champs 1 Runner Up 3 CWS
2. FL - 1 Champ 1 Runner Up 7 CWS
3. LSU - 1 Champ 1 Runner Up 5 CWS
4. Vandy - 1 Champ 1 Runner Up 3 CWS
1. SC - 2 Champs 1 Runner Up 3 CWS
2. FL - 1 Champ 1 Runner Up 7 CWS
3. LSU - 1 Champ 1 Runner Up 5 CWS
4. Vandy - 1 Champ 1 Runner Up 3 CWS
re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by whatiknowsofar on 5/6/19 at 12:04 pm to lsufball19
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In all the articles I read, I didn't see one comment where the coach took responsibility for a loss. It was always addressing what went wrong in certain aspects of the game and what the team/players should have done differently.
bullshite. All of those coaches used "we" instead of "he".
Which one of those coaches specifically blamed a player for losing the game? Not one. They all said "we lost" or "we didnt".
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Our fans have just convinced themselves that criticism is unnecessary and equates to throwing someone under the bus.
You can criticize your team, as a coach, without throwing any players under the bus. Paul maineri has established a pattern of throwing players under the bus to the media.
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If we are evaluating Mainieri's tenure we can't toss out the results because a coach retired. Just ranking the SEC teams World Series success during his tenure.
1. SC - 2 Champs 1 Runner Up 3 CWS
2. FL - 1 Champ 1 Runner Up 7 CWS
3. LSU - 1 Champ 1 Runner Up 5 CWS
4. Vandy - 1 Champ 1 Runner Up 3 CWS
Right, and no one has done that. I merely pointed out that the only coaches with multiple CWS title during CPM’s tenure here are now retired.
If you want to argue that O’Sullivan has been more successful, go ahead because he’s been to Omaha two more times, that’s fine but at the end of the day, he’s got the same number of titles and runners-up.
re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by lsufball19 on 5/6/19 at 12:07 pm to weadjust
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1. SC - 2 Champs 1 Runner Up 3 CWS
And USC is about to miss the NCAAT for the 3rd time in 5 years and are currently in last place in the SEC. They haven't made it to Omaha since 2012 and haven't won a conference title since 2011. Would you say their program has really done any better than Florida, Vandy, or LSU? Sure, two national titles is obviously awesome, but they are and have been a train wreck ever since Tanner retired, and that wasn't exactly yesterday.
This post was edited on 5/6 at 12:08 pm
re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by lsufball19 on 5/6/19 at 12:13 pm to whatiknowsofar
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bullshite. All of those coaches used "we" instead of "he".
the coaches also singled out specific mistakes. It's pretty obvious they were pinpointing the mistakes of one player, whether he was mentioned by name or not. Also, like I said, coverage of these schools is much more limited than LSU. I didn't really care to go search on youtube and listen to their entire 5 min interviews.
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Which one of those coaches specifically blamed a player for losing the game? Not one. They all said "we lost" or "we didnt".
the OP also left out the part in that interview after the game yesterday where Mainieri's comments followed this question "There were several weeks in a row where Fontenot kind of made it interesting and got out of it. I guess, but it finally caught up to him today..." The reporter asked him about a specific player. Context is pretty important. It's not as if Mainieri just started talking for 5 minutes. He was answering questions asked by reporters, sometimes he is asked questions about specific players or specific plays in the game.
This post was edited on 5/6 at 12:14 pm
re: Mainieri quotes on Fontenot are brutal: "he cost us the game"Posted by lsupride87 on 5/6/19 at 12:14 pm to lsufball19
quote:In all those articles, did you see a coach single out a player by name and say he cost us the game?
In all the articles I read, I didn't see one comment where the coach took responsibility for a loss. It was always addressing what went wrong in certain aspects of the game and what the team/players should have done differently. It's not all too dissimilar from what Mainieri does. Our fans have just convinced themselves that criticism is unnecessary and equates to throwing someone under the bus. I'm sorry, but these players are grown men and if they can't handle mild criticism, then they picked the wrong profession. This isn't coach pitch.
I am fine with Mainieri saying things that went wrong such as “Fontenot can’t walk the lead off batter”. That is the type of language the other coaches you linked used
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