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re: Mainieri paraphrased: "my players are not talented"

Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:01 pm to
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well, if we are talking low 90's, then just about every lsu team as had many pitchers pitching low 90s.




maybe you misread

the first 3 guys i mentioned can hit mid 90s. Jones, Gausman, Eades.

I wouldnt be surprised if Dykstra does at times too.


And Nolan Cain was lucky to ever hit 90 mph.

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once nola was moved to short and d.j. to second, d.h took over at third. hanover was a bench player.



lol, he stared 53 of 63 games. That's not a bench player.

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i bet you check ALL players and their offensive stats dropped as a result over all.



Doesn't seem to bother Mahtook or Raph Rhymes, who couldnt even make LSU's roster 2 years ago.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:05 pm to
The big problem is that what we have now is what we will have next year unless we get a quality pitching coach. You have raw talent in these FR pitchers that you could turn into great talent. McCune and KG have all the tools to be legendary LSU pitchers.

When was the last LSU pitcher hitting 98 early in the season? Teach that boy to locate and get movement on it and the sky is the limit. Maybe he will never learn but we owe it to him to give him the best coach to work with in order to try.. Not some guy that once called pitches prior to coming to LSU.
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:08 pm to
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We're talking about fully grown, mature athletes. These young men (unlike yourself and a few others in this thread) should be more than capable of handling a factual, logical and reasonable statement made by their headcoach.

If you think your team is going to quit because of this statement, you have much, much, MUCH bigger problems in the club house my friend, you've got a bench full of pansies.
Just curious, what is your experience playing D1 baseball.
I guess it means nothing that PM is getting crushed by former LSU players for his statements in this article.
You just don't say shite like that to the media.

Posted by josh336
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:09 pm to
Agreed LSU should be top 50 in the country hitting and on the mound, its inexcusable
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
80550 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:09 pm to
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I guess it means nothing that PM is getting crushed by former LSU players for his statements in this article.

Link?
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:15 pm to
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We're talking about fully grown, mature athletes


13 of these guys were in HS last year.. CPM himself is always talking about the mental aspect of playing the game..

There are 2 Srs on this entire team.

If CPM was going to go sound off on any teams he has had since being at LSU he certainly chose one of the youngest of the bunch if not the youngest.

Regardless.. Tell them that in the locker room if you see it fit.. Telling the media what he did was just poor on his part.


Why do the players get hit.. And when asked about the coaches and given the time to drill them too they got a 'no comment'?? Those guys are getting PAID A LOT of money to be at LSU. If anyone should be getting the media treatment its the guys that are getting paid to be here.
This post was edited on 5/10/11 at 3:17 pm
Posted by dos crystal
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Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:16 pm to
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Pitchers who can throw in the 90s: Where did I say mid 90s??


this isn't a some new accomplishment. a lot of college pitchers can hit 90.

Just to go with your stat and your question. Bradshaw was a soph on the n.c. team, a.r., coleman, cain, ross, alsup, and byrd that's 7 off the top of my head.

answer to your question, 2009, two years ago.

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i go with 2007.




Huh?? Do you follow baseball?

Mahtook was a frosh in the 2008-2009 season as was Hanover.


But WAY to make my point.. The last time LSU had that type of talent WE WON THE CWS!


ok, i go with 2008.

your question was when have they had this kind of speed, not talent. which, in 2008 we had a lot MORE speed. landry, mitchel, mahtook, d.j., nola, schimpf, derrick h, dean, gibbs, ochinko.

the only edge in speed on this team is maybe dozar over dean, maybe katz over ochinko but you don't have a landry, dishon, hanover, and magee on the bench either. 7 out 9 positions go to 2008 team as being faster.

not really a comparison.

if you are trying to say this team is as talented as 2009 then,
Posted by josh336
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Member since Jan 2007
80550 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:20 pm to
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Regardless.. Tell them that in the locker room if you see it fit.. Telling the media what he did was just poor on his part.

Dont understand this thinking that everyone keeps bringing up. How is it better to tell the players up close and personal that the talent has dropped off the last couple years. That does nothing. It was for the fans, nothing more, telling the players would hurt more.

Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:21 pm to
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dos crystal
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you left out this part, sid.


Sure did. My bad........I edited.

Still a strange quote coming from a coach. One I will never think is appropriate.

Suck it up, own your mistake, do not make disparaging remarks about the team in public. That is how I interpret it.

A quote like, "LSU will take a long hard look at all aspects of the program during the offseason and make the necessary changes. The responsibility is mine and I will get it fixed." That is all that needs to be said. Drawing attention to one aspect of th eprogram in the public eye is not needed.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4801 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:22 pm to
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lol, he stared 53 of 63 games. That's not a bench player.


question, did hanover start a game in the c.w.s?

where was he? ON THE BENCH.

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Doesn't seem to bother Mahtook or Raph Rhymes, who couldnt even make LSU's roster 2 years ago.


Rhymes hit 400 last year.

it seems to have affected all of the college baseball as runs, avg., and hr's are down.

are you saying they are up?
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:22 pm to
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Just to go with your stat and your question. Bradshaw was a soph on the n.c. team, a.r., coleman, cain, ross, alsup, and byrd that's 7 off the top of my head.


I named SEVEN NEW pitchers on a staff.. And you just compared that to 7 on an entire staff?


Cain did not throw 90s and neither did Byrd.

Coleman is at tops 90mph even but I will allow it..

So you have 4 pitchers on a staff in with power arms vs 10.


Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:30 pm to
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question, did hanover start a game in the c.w.s?


No he didnt start because CPM wanted the experience of a player that was there before.

But its not like he was aweful when given the chance either.. He hit 429 in the LSU Regional and in the CWS went 2-for-3 with a double, a homer and three RBI.

Thats just horrible!
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:32 pm to
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Rhymes hit 400 last year.


For LSU.........EUNICE

Not sure how you can make that comparison.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:35 pm to
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How is it better to tell the players up close and personal that the talent has dropped off the last couple years


If he hasnt told them then in the locker room (which we dont know)

Then its a major slap in your face as a player to find shite like that out through the media. It helps nothing..

If its kept just in the locker room then its generally taken as a more of get off you arse and do something motivation rather than an insult.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:43 pm to
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a lot MORE speed. landry, mitchel, mahtook, d.j., nola, schimpf, derrick h, dean, gibbs, ochinko.


You cant be serious

No sentence with speed should ever include Dean,Gibbs(2008 version) and Ochinko in any way.
This post was edited on 5/10/11 at 3:52 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
285280 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:43 pm to
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question, did hanover start a game in the c.w.s?

where was he? ON THE BENCH.


so that defines him as a bench player?

you really are clueless, dont know what to say.

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it seems to have affected all of the college baseball as runs, avg., and hr's are down.

are you saying they are up?


i seriously doubt they are up.

i also doubt the college average has dropped 30 points and started playing shitty defense because of the bats.

other teams are hitting quite well against us it seems.


Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 3:55 pm to
Games played in -Games Started

65-53

45-27

Which number belongs to the bench player and which number belongs to the starter?
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4801 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 4:05 pm to
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I named SEVEN NEW pitchers on a staff.. And you just compared that to 7 on an entire staff?


Cain did not throw 90s and neither did Byrd.

Coleman is at tops 90mph even but I will allow it..

So you have 4 pitchers on a staff in with power arms vs 10.


whatever, dude. make up shite as you go. cain threw 90. Jones is a freaking Junior. Mccune doesn't throw 90. i don't know if rumbelow, peterson, and broussard do.

see, that's the difference, i don't make shite up, i will say that i don't know. however, i'm not going to accept some spewed bullshite as fact.

i think we made that clear yesterday when you said broadhead was the first a.d. to turn a profit only to be provided with an article providing the fact he wasn't.

all in all i don't see where it matters if someone can throw 90 or not. there are plenty of pitchers in the hall of fame that never did. you either know how to pitch or you don't.

again, are you saying this team is as talented as 2009? stay on point here. you started this bullshite claiming this team has the talent. they just aren't coached.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4801 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 4:16 pm to
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For LSU.........EUNICE

Not sure how you can make that comparison.


geeze, ok, and college baseball didn't change bats!

recap,

you questioned how they were "awesome" and now the aren't, you said sanchez.

i don't think hanover or nola are any less of players than they were before. their offensive stats are down a little due to the bats.

earl came in and said it didn't affect rymes or mahtook. i pointed out that rymes hit 400 last years. how do you know it didn't affect him? he isn't hitting 400 this year.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4801 posts
Posted on 5/10/11 at 4:37 pm to
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so that defines him as a bench player?

you really are clueless, dont know what to say.


well that team went 56-17, that is total 73 games not 63, but i'm clueless.

ok, i'll say he was bench player who then started then got benched. because that is EXACTLY what happened. he didn't start the season as a starter and he didn't finish the season as a starter.

you define that how you want. i never said he was a bad player. just stating he's now a everyday player. he hasn't had to come of the bench.
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