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re: LSU's Resume vs. St John's Resume

Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:05 pm to
Posted by LSU
Houston
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:05 pm to
Win more games. LSU put themselves in this position. No one else.
Posted by Louie T
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2006
36583 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:06 pm to
absolutely mind boggling

will never understand it
Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
44671 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:09 pm to
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what merit does st johns have at all?


Who said anything was based on merit? Amd merit is clearly subjective. LSU finished 9th in their conference...I'm assuming 8 SEC made it in. How many from the St. John's conference? I'm assuming 2 since they were the last in. You think The SEC deserves a 9th team that had a losing in-conference record? Compared to another team that finished second in its conference (baseball has alot more parity than people think).

I know it's assumed and rightfully so that the SEC is superior. No argument there but 9 teams in? They already put in all the Tournament qualifiers. LSU didn't have enough merit to warrant in my opinion. If they'd have had a 16-14 conference record and not in the tourney they'd have a bigger argument.
This post was edited on 5/30/11 at 1:10 pm
Posted by CerealKilla
Member since Jan 2011
6098 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:10 pm to
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Win more games. LSU put themselves in this position. No one else.

Win more games than the team that got picked over us: check
Win more games vs. higher ranked teams: check
Have a tougher schedule than the other team: check

Posted by Louie T
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2006
36583 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:12 pm to
anyone that looks at the two resumes and says st john's deserves to be in is either:

1) retarded
2) overly negative

2 vs 9 in conference standings should have zero bearing on the decision since the strengths of the two are VASTLY different
Posted by CerealKilla
Member since Jan 2011
6098 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:14 pm to
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Who said anything was based on merit? Amd merit is clearly subjective.

So let's make it objective based on who got picked over LSU.

Conference finish and road winning % is what St. John had over LSU.

More wins, more wins vs quality opponents, tougher OOC schedule, tougher conference schedule is what LSU has over St. Johns.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
77966 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:14 pm to
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No argument there but 9 teams in? They already put in all the Tournament qualifiers


false, auburn wasnt eligible due to their .500 overall record

and the precedent has already been set with selecting a team that didnt make their conference tourney, multiple times actually.
Posted by slowchild25
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
15 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:15 pm to
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You realize Connecticut won the Big East tournament and received and automatic bid,don't you ?



Yes but they would have more than likely been chosen anyway seeing as the 10th and 11th place finishers also made it despite not having a winning conference record (9-9 for UConn, Nova and Marquette)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464582 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:16 pm to
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LSU finished 9th in their conference

unless you assume all conferences are essentially equal, this line of logic doesn't work

quote:

You think The SEC deserves a 9th team that had a losing in-conference record? Compared to another team that finished second in its conference

who was ranked higher?
who has the best objective evidence?

i believe LSU wins in both accounts. i don't care if half the conferences in the NCAA don't get a team in. the best teams should be playing

quote:

but 9 teams in?

if they're better than other teams, i don't care
Posted by slowchild25
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
15 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:17 pm to
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I believe UCONN did though


The point. You missed it.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
77966 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:17 pm to
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i don't care if half the conferences in the NCAA don't get a team in. the best teams should be playing


Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
44671 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:18 pm to
Well then be upset with an arbitrary selection system. People complain about the BCS but it sounds like folks want a similar system in baseball...similar to defined selection method.
Posted by TigahRag
Sorting Out OT BS Since 2005
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:21 pm to
didn't that HORRIBLE princeton team that doesn't deserve to be in the tourney beat LSU here this year ?
Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
44671 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:21 pm to
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believe LSU wins in both accounts. i don't care if half the conferences in the NCAA don't get a team in. the best teams should be playing


How do you determine the best teams then. Overall record? Conference record? The only merit LSU has for it is RPI and obviously the committee could care less about that.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
77966 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:22 pm to
they should do away with automatic bids

sorry, but shite teams like arkansas-little rock and seton hall being in is a complete joke. neither team is in the top 64, neither team is in the top 164

it's ridiculous that deserving teams, not just LSU, get left out because the #6 pitcher for florida international couldnt hold down arkansas-little rock in the sun belt tourney title game
Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
44671 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:23 pm to
Auburn took 2/3 from LSU at LSU. Made the tournament. I figure they'd have more beef than LSU.
Posted by CerealKilla
Member since Jan 2011
6098 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:23 pm to
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Well then be upset with a political selection system

FIFY

St. Johns was selected totally off of their conference record, and not their total body of work. The Big East would not let only 1 team in while the SEC would have gotten 9.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
77966 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:24 pm to
auburn wasnt eligible
Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
44671 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:25 pm to
LSU's body of work is they beat a bunch of also-rans to start the season, lost to princeton, swept Fullerton, and went 13-17 in conference play.

I'm not seeing the Merit.
Posted by bubbz
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
23084 posts
Posted on 5/30/11 at 1:25 pm to
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You realize Connecticut won the Big East tournament and received and automatic bid,don't you ?


Do you idiots even research before posting?

Seton Hall won the Big East Tourney and received the automatic bid, not UCONN.

St John's got in over LSU because St. John's is in a big market. Plain and Simple...anyone who thinks St. John's got in over LSU because they are better or finished 2nd in the fricking Big East is an idiot.
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