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re: LSU's average class ranking vs the schedule
Posted on 8/12/18 at 1:31 pm to JayDeerTay84
Posted on 8/12/18 at 1:31 pm to JayDeerTay84
BUT BUT BUT BUT....
O HAS NO TALENT TO WORK WITH CUZ OF MILES!!!!!!1111111
Another Otard myth
O HAS NO TALENT TO WORK WITH CUZ OF MILES!!!!!!1111111
Another Otard myth
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Posted on 8/12/18 at 1:54 pm to JayDeerTay84
10-2, no excuses...
Posted on 8/12/18 at 2:45 pm to Lsualum2017
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The class ranking argument is kind of vague because we have players like Foster Moreau who outplay their class rankings
So does every other program. And ever program misses Some times.
It's about averages, and ours is PLENTY good to win 10-11 games this year.
Posted on 8/12/18 at 3:12 pm to TDcline
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LSU is the only school in the country that experiences attrition to early departures and transfers... it doesn’t happen to literally every other school in the country.
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Why does LSU lead nation in underclassmen declaring for draft since 2013?
Over the past six years, 32 non-seniors at LSU declared for the draft. That is eight more than the next closest team, Florida State (24). Florida is next at 23 before a jumble of programs round out the top 10: Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State (20 each), Southern California (19), Stanford and Notre Dame (15 each) and UCLA (14).
LINK
Posted on 8/12/18 at 3:14 pm to CP3LSU25
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then why will they have more players drafted than us because of experience?
Because they have more that are draft eligible.
Why is this so hard to comprehend?
Posted on 8/12/18 at 5:36 pm to JayDeerTay84
2015 team ranking- we were rated 5th.
Not on roster now-our top 8 guys
Kevin Tolliver 5 star
Ty Johndon 5 star
M Teuhema 5 star
D Guice 4 star
D Jackdon 4 star
Arden Key 4 star
T Westhersby 4 star
Chidi Valentine 4 star
Others not remaining
X Lewis 4 star
Jazz Fergudon 4 star
G Brown 3 star
H Shipley
B Mouton
Remaining
D Dillon 4 star
N Brisette 4star
D Ducre 4 star
A Magee 3 star
I Washington
L Fournette
J McMillan
F Moreau
Blake Ferguson
J Growden
How many of the 2015 that's left will start in 2018? Maybe 2? And a specialist or 2.
A quick review of our #2 2016 class shows stalwarts Lawrence, and White left from our top ten along with Divinity, Monroe, Alexander, Sullivan, Davis, and Campbell. Fulton is here, but can't play. Savion Smith is gone.
So we have 8 of the top ten that can play this year. But I count just 3 starters.
Still here are Logan, Dee Anderson, Anthony, Thornton, Greedy, Pettigrew(hurt), Cam Lewis, Cushenberry and Culp.
Gone are Roddy, T Valentine, Martin, Scott, Savage, Garnett.
What jumps out at me is the lack of offensive talent. No QB, no TB, underperforming WRs and no big OL or TE studs.
#2 class? Without any impact offensive players? I don't think so.
Now I can't tell you about Auburn or State or Miami's depth chart and recruiting classes, but I don't see this loaded team based on these two recruiting classes.
2017 brought a lot of new talent. Many played and when you look at who is on board I can see why. They had to play.
Now don't take this the wrong way, we have good talent. Transfers should be a big plus, and they should help fill in the cracks. Burrow and Giles could be difference makers on O. So could Chase from the 2018 class.
I do not believe averaging recruiting rankings says a whole lot. You must look inside the numbers.
Not on roster now-our top 8 guys
Kevin Tolliver 5 star
Ty Johndon 5 star
M Teuhema 5 star
D Guice 4 star
D Jackdon 4 star
Arden Key 4 star
T Westhersby 4 star
Chidi Valentine 4 star
Others not remaining
X Lewis 4 star
Jazz Fergudon 4 star
G Brown 3 star
H Shipley
B Mouton
Remaining
D Dillon 4 star
N Brisette 4star
D Ducre 4 star
A Magee 3 star
I Washington
L Fournette
J McMillan
F Moreau
Blake Ferguson
J Growden
How many of the 2015 that's left will start in 2018? Maybe 2? And a specialist or 2.
A quick review of our #2 2016 class shows stalwarts Lawrence, and White left from our top ten along with Divinity, Monroe, Alexander, Sullivan, Davis, and Campbell. Fulton is here, but can't play. Savion Smith is gone.
So we have 8 of the top ten that can play this year. But I count just 3 starters.
Still here are Logan, Dee Anderson, Anthony, Thornton, Greedy, Pettigrew(hurt), Cam Lewis, Cushenberry and Culp.
Gone are Roddy, T Valentine, Martin, Scott, Savage, Garnett.
What jumps out at me is the lack of offensive talent. No QB, no TB, underperforming WRs and no big OL or TE studs.
#2 class? Without any impact offensive players? I don't think so.
Now I can't tell you about Auburn or State or Miami's depth chart and recruiting classes, but I don't see this loaded team based on these two recruiting classes.
2017 brought a lot of new talent. Many played and when you look at who is on board I can see why. They had to play.
Now don't take this the wrong way, we have good talent. Transfers should be a big plus, and they should help fill in the cracks. Burrow and Giles could be difference makers on O. So could Chase from the 2018 class.
I do not believe averaging recruiting rankings says a whole lot. You must look inside the numbers.
Posted on 8/12/18 at 5:48 pm to doubleb
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I do not believe averaging recruiting rankings says a whole lot. You must look inside the numbers.
Thats odd because of you look at the class rankings average out of the past playoff teams, you notice a recurring theme.
To think we can't definitively say we recruit better than majority of the teams in the SEC outside of 3 is quite sad if that is your case.
I guess we are the king of excuses.
We do put a lot of kids in the NFL, but so do a number of other teams that dont seem to be slipping into 4th in their own division.
This post was edited on 8/12/18 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 8/12/18 at 5:50 pm to VermilionTiger
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Remove the players that leave after their junior year
You would have to do that with every team though
Posted on 8/12/18 at 5:54 pm to Powerman
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You would have to do that with every team though
We recruit so good, we have our juniors leave early, yet we can't rely on said good recruiting to expect better than 7-5 results... No matter the schedule.
Sound logic eh?
Posted on 8/12/18 at 5:57 pm to JayDeerTay84
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We recruit so good, we have our juniors leave early, yet we can't rely on said good recruiting to expect better than 7-5 results... No matter the schedule.
It's tortured logic coming from tortured minds.
They want to find a reason, any reason to blame what could very well happen this season on anything but the most obvious reason, the head coach.
Posted on 8/12/18 at 6:03 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:The class ranking is subjective and heaped with bias based on monies, (non taxable $$
LSU's average class ranking vs the schedule
Posted on 8/12/18 at 7:29 pm to JayDeerTay84
24/7 will release a roster talent composite that takes into account each roster going into the start of the season. This includes players who've left programs AND adjusts star ratings based on production.
Last season LSU was 6, I believe.
Last season LSU was 6, I believe.
Posted on 8/12/18 at 7:39 pm to MrBrutus
quote:trolling?
MrBrutus
Posted on 8/12/18 at 8:14 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Thats odd because of you look at the class rankings average out of the past playoff teams, you notice a recurring theme.
To think we can't definitively say we recruit better than majority of the teams in the SEC outside of 3 is quite sad if that is your case.
I guess we are the king of excuses.
We do put a lot of kids in the NFL, but so do a number of other teams that dont seem to be slipping into 4th in their own division.
No one is making any excuses, I simply poked a whole bunch of holes in your OP. You were lazy, you looked at recruiting rankings and didn't even take the time to dig into our roster. My quick research indicated we lost our best players from 2015. In fact over half that class is gone. Then you missed just how bad that "great" 2016 class was on offense.
You made a post, I responded with facts. Facts aren't excuses.
We have put more than our fair share into the NFL. Should Les and O have done better. Certainly they could have.
We've recruited well, but others have too and we play them this year. Predicted rankings are not the final rankings. Some teams don't measure up, some will not. Whether or not O improves will determine his measure not preseason rankings or half arse recruiting rankings.
You mention the average rankings of the playoff teams. What are they? Us if 1-4? Are they all in the top ten?
I know Bama us 1, but what we're all the others? And what about the other top ten teams that didn't make it into the playoffs? Who are their cosches? How well did they do?
In conclusion, I believe we've recruited OK, but not well enough across the board. We certainly haven't recruited to the Bama level. And recent events make it seem we are falling behind not just Ga. but others and that's not good.
We shall see in time, but our roster needs to improve on O and we need to keep bringing in studs on D.
No excuses from me, I'll judge O on his record, his team and his recruiting class.
Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:06 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:
Shea Dixon Retweeted Shea Dixon
In this story, numbers on each recruiting class. One that stings? The 2015 class, where 39% of the signees have already transferred or been dismissed.
From the 2014-2016 classes, only 32 signees (44%) remain on the team right now.
Which is absolutely on par with the rest of the country.
Alabama sees 10th player leave from its #1 2015 recruiting class
Where is Bama ranked again?
Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:23 pm to doubleb
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No one is making any excuses, I simply poked a whole bunch of holes in your OP. You were lazy, you looked at recruiting rankings and didn't even take the time to dig into our roster. My quick research indicated we lost our best players from 2015. In fact over half that class is gone. Then you missed just how bad that "great" 2016 class was on offense.
You didn't poke holes in shite. There are still 3 other years of solid recruiting at the same level in which we expect our juniors to leave early, again.
I posted facts.
You are trying to spin them into some other meaning.
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We have put more than our fair share into the NFL. Should Les and O have done better. Certainly they could have.
Now you are catching on.
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We've recruited well, but others have too and we play them this year. Predicted rankings are not the final rankings. Some teams don't measure up, some will not. Whether or not O improves will determine his measure not preseason rankings or half arse recruiting rankings.
This is like the 3rd or 4th time I have asked in this thread, outside of Bama and UGA, WHO HAS RECRUITED BETTER???
No one seems to want to answer....
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In conclusion, I believe we've recruited OK, but not well enough across the board.
Name the SEC teams that recruited better with your analysis of their class then...
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No excuses from me, I'll judge O on his record, his team and his recruiting class.
Except for "muh juniors" right?
Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:47 pm to JayDeerTay84
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You didn't poke holes in shite. There are still 3 other years of solid recruiting at the same level in which we expect our juniors to leave early, again.
Sure I did, you looked at 2015 rankings as equal to 2016 and 2017 when clearly it's not. Nor is 2018 equal to 2016 or 2017. 2018 kids are rookies.
The problem you have is looking at yearly recruiting rankings and believing they are definitive. Auburn beat Bama and Ga. According to your analysis that should not have happened. Auburn is way behind them in recruiting right?
So what happened? Coaching right? Bad coaching for Bama and Ga.? No way, we all know Saban is the best around and Smart is the best young coach right now.
The correct answer is complex. Recruiting is part of the answer but not the sole factor in who wins or who loses. The team with the best recruits and best coach does lose.
Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:54 pm to doubleb
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Sure I did, you looked at 2015 rankings as equal to 2016 and 2017 when clearly it's not. Nor is 2018 equal to 2016 or 2017. 2018 kids are rookies.
No I used a running average as it all shakes out.
There really is no comparison to a team in the top 1-10 vs someone in the 20's. If you think there is, make a case.
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The problem you have is looking at yearly recruiting rankings and believing they are definitive. Auburn beat Bama and Ga. According to your analysis that should not have happened. Auburn is way behind them in recruiting right?
No one use the word "definitive". You did. I made the claim we are not lacking in talent and are close to the top in our league.
I then asked who, if any, has more than us outside of Bama and UGA... Crickets...
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The correct answer is complex. Recruiting is part of the answer but not the sole factor in who wins or who loses. The team with the best recruits and best coach does lose.
Its so complex you can't tell me what other teams in the SEC have done it better.
I see now.
Posted on 8/12/18 at 10:20 pm to JayDeerTay84
We both agree we aren't lacking in talent. But you posted a crappy average that proves nothing, and I demonstrated that.
All we know for sure is we had the fourth best record in the SEC last season. That finish was in line with how we recruited. What else do you want me to say?
We don't know how we will go in 2018, and we could do as well in the SEC as we did last year. I doubt we will do better and we more than likely will fall off, but no one knows.
All we know for sure is we had the fourth best record in the SEC last season. That finish was in line with how we recruited. What else do you want me to say?
We don't know how we will go in 2018, and we could do as well in the SEC as we did last year. I doubt we will do better and we more than likely will fall off, but no one knows.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 5:30 am to JayDeerTay84
Where would Troy fit in that analysis this year ? It’s not just about talent.
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