re: LSUAD is videotaping students chanting obscenities.

More stupidity from Allevas office. He needs to be canned immediately.

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allscaster, I'm sure you are resting confident that you're making the world a better place with your little cause celebre.

Then again, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to defend "free speech" for something that actually has some redeeming value or utility?

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Valpeaux, what balls doesn't realize (because he never bothered to ask-he just assumes) is that I support free speech, even when I don't agree with it. However what he mistakes is the idea of free speech with free speech without consequences. Depending on the circumstances, free speech is allowed but there are consequences that can arise. You are certainly free to yell "gun" in a crowded theater however there will likely be consequences when your "free speech" causes people to be hurt. If you make a threat against someone, there can be consequences to your "free speech". This idiot also doesn't realize that sometimes exercising that right to "free speech" may not be appropriate. I am willing to bet that if he went to work and started chanting STTDB, his chances to succeed there will likely decrease. But he is still free to go that route. Also, he is unwilling to acknowledge and respect that others have differing opinions on how this has been/is potentially going to be handled by the venue who provides this event, which is entirely theirs to regulate. It is printed very clearly on the tickets (essentially a contract) that every one of us accept to participate in this event. Lastly, he isn't even intelligent enough to realize that this isn't a "free speech" issue. The university reserves the right to monitor its events for activity that it deems inappropriate and stop that activity. They have taken all of the steps that they could that reasonable people would respond to (removing songs from the daily playlist, asking the students to exercise some self-restraint) and the students have now forced them to take more direct action. He doesn't realize that it is not the university's fault that this is potentially going to take place but it is the students.

Besides, I still can't understand how he can call everyone here the "language police" when we have no decision making authority at the university. He is trying hard to be a "rebel with a cause" but instead he is actually crying to be a "rebel without a clue".

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Then again, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to defend "free speech" for something that actually has some redeeming value or utility?

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No because he HAS to be right all the time.

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I was with you till here. You don't actually, in your heart of hearts, believe this is a good comparison and sheds light on your stance? Tiger Stadium is not the work place, people do not act the same at work as they do at Tiger Stadium. Just like people don't act the same at a bar as they do at work. People do not act the same at the fishing camp as they do at work. A comparison to such is foolish.

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As he likes to make analogies, this was simply an analogy to point out that because he has the "freedom" to act in this way doesn't make it appropriate or even acceptable. Any venue (fishing camp, work, free speech alley, Tiger Stadium, business meeting, bar, etc...) will have its own "standard" of what is more or less acceptable. I am not comparing the environment at Tiger Stadium to work any more than I would to a fishing camp outside of that it is a venue where what is acceptable is determined by the person/organization organizing an event there.

Anyone with serious issues about chants regarding felletio needs to deal with that issue somewhere other than a sports rant page. Students will be students. Parents (and the administration) need to quit helicoptering them and let them go through the awkward (but sometimes fun) stages of growing up. It doesn't take thousands of posts to know that.

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The issue is his analogies make sense, and yours was ridiculous. Someone as smart as you claim to be should easily see that.

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Since you seem to be incapable of comprehending this, I can give you what you might find to be a "more appropriate" analogy. How about if you attend a play at LSU. Would the chant be acceptable there? What do you think that the likely outcome would be. How about a benefit dinner for TAF? Or if you go see the BRSO's presentation of The Nutcracker? Would it be appropriate there? You are just as free to chant it there as you would be at Tiger Stadium but there would likely be consequences. Are you capable of understanding the analogy now?

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This is another terrible analogy. Is it common for the crowd to chant at plays now?

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I am done with you since you lack even the most basic comprehension and reasoning skills.

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Just don't be surprised when you end up in jail and also have a civil suit filed against you.

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I'm good with this as long as they put me in the same cell block with Blackjackjackson!!!!

At a play, you aren't screaming your face off trying to get the bad guys to mess up. Different social setting. The students chanted the song to All of the Lights which aren't event the lyrics to the song so the chanting will continue with or without the songs.
Who knows maybe this is 1984 and the LSU admin thought police will persecute us for even thinking such obscenities!

My problem is LSU is very selective in enforcement of "rules" and it is most evident with alcohol. Students are searched greatly for it. The remainder of the bowl part of the stadium gets searched a little. The suites, well, they pay lots of money so those rules don't apply and they can drink all they want and LSU sells it to them.

The same can be said for the policing of language. Has the university told Miles that if he is caught cussing on the field that they are going to dock his salary. He's the employee at the university. The students and their parents are the ones paying the tuition, room and board at LSU along with their student tickets yet they are treated with some disdain by the university. I, for one, am getting tired of this bullshite that universities become.

I am much more offended with LSU's wasteful spending on these PC positions that have become typical at everything government touches. They are the numerous "Vice Chancellors" of various nonsense titles such as "diversity awareness", "community outreach", etc. I'm also much more offended by how LSU under the new President, is above the laws of the state regarding hiring practices.

Yes, let's focus on the students chants in Tiger Stadium and not what is truly vulgar and obscene. I'm referring to the many nonsense "victims studies" degrees and programs as well as the numbers of bullshite, ever expanding "vice chancellors of nonsense causes and subjects" that LSU has created. You know, those 6 digit income ones that the ever increasing tuition rate hikes actually pay for but don't have anything to do with anything but giving well-connected good paying jobs. Let's not leave the professors out. Of course, the best are now treated with disdain, like Dr. Homberger was because her freshman biology class was "too hard" and she went through hell for having "standards of expectation" that used to be considered the norm at a university. Of course, those standards are tough and students are now viewed as being babies by them that must be protected from such rigours in the classroom but when you are in the stadium, then they'll "protect those offended by fowl language" with cameras to watch your every word. That is most offensive to me as an LSU alumnus and an American citizen.