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re: LSU would be in the Playoff over UGA if we won out
Posted on 10/12/23 at 9:54 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
Posted on 10/12/23 at 9:54 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
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quote:What if Ole Miss wins out? then UGA wouldn’t be a one loss team. UGA is going to beat Ole Miss in Athens. LSU virtually controls their own destiny in the SEC. Ole Miss already has 1 conf. loss
It is intellectually disingenuous to state that LSU can win at Alabama and then dismiss categorically that Ole Miss might win at Georgia.
I want our fans to believe the best about LSU - it’s what fans SHOULD do, but our Optimism Policemen won’t have it. But we need to be pragmatic about the rest of the college football landscape
It’s best to allow for what might happen in the case of Ole Miss winning out, and that is that we can and may win the tiebreaker over Bama and Ole Miss.
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Posted on 10/12/23 at 9:59 am to Tiger Phil
I never said LSU was going to lose to Bama. I’m playing out the scenario of OP which is the point of the thread. If 2-loss LSU ran the table I all but guarantee LSU will be in the SECCG.
The saying is WAOM. They are not going to run the table.
The saying is WAOM. They are not going to run the table.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:01 am to LSUTitan99
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Ole Miss isn’t winning in Athens lol
And their fans are probably saying we aren’t winning in Tuscaloosa
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:06 am to Tiger Phil
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It’s best to allow for what might happen in the case of Ole Miss winning out, and that is that we can and may win the tiebreaker over Bama and Ole Miss.
This is a different scenario than what OP talked about, which is what I replied to (1-loss SECCG loser UGA vs 2-loss SEC champion LSU).
In the scenario you mention that I quoted above:
10-2 Alabama
10-2 LSU
11-1 Ole Miss
There is no way Ole Miss doesn’t play for the SECCG. The three-way tiebreaker would go to ole miss for beating LSU and @UGA and having 1 loss vs LSU and Bama’s two losses. Don’t they go off of CFP ranking for tie breaker? If so 100% the tie-breaker would go to Ole Miss
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:14 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
Here is the 3 team tiebreak scenario, I don't see anything at first glance that talks about overall record:
Three-Team Tie (or more): If three teams (or more) are tied for a division title, the following procedure will be used in the following order: (Note: If one of the procedures results in one team being eliminated and two remaining, the two-team tiebreaker procedure as stated in No. 1 above will be used):
A. Combined head to head record among the tied teams;
B. Record of the tied teams within the division;
C. Head to head competition against the team within the division with the best overall Conference record (divisional and non divisional) and proceeding through the division (multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last and a tie for first place will be broken before a tie for fourth place);
D. Overall Conference record against non divisional teams;
E. Combined record against all common non divisional teams;
F. Record against the common non divisional team with the best overall Conference record (divisional and non divisional) and proceeding through other common non divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division; and
G. Best cumulative Conference winning percentage of non-divisional opponents (Note: If two teams' non-divisional opponents have the same cumulative record, then the two-team tiebreaker procedures apply. If four teams are tied, and three teams' non-divisional opponents have the same cumulative record, the three-team tiebreaker procedures will be used beginning with 2.A.);
Assuming bama/lsu/om all have 1 loss to each other, I think this would go down the list of tiebreaks until you get to G which basically compares the records of each team's east opponents. So basically it'd be:
Bama- Tennessee and Kentuky
LSU- Missouri and Florida
OM- Vandy and UGA
Whoever's opponents above combine to have the best record would go.
ETA: Unless Item B means overall record? I';d think that's a crappy way to determine though since not everyone's OOC schdules are equal
Three-Team Tie (or more): If three teams (or more) are tied for a division title, the following procedure will be used in the following order: (Note: If one of the procedures results in one team being eliminated and two remaining, the two-team tiebreaker procedure as stated in No. 1 above will be used):
A. Combined head to head record among the tied teams;
B. Record of the tied teams within the division;
C. Head to head competition against the team within the division with the best overall Conference record (divisional and non divisional) and proceeding through the division (multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last and a tie for first place will be broken before a tie for fourth place);
D. Overall Conference record against non divisional teams;
E. Combined record against all common non divisional teams;
F. Record against the common non divisional team with the best overall Conference record (divisional and non divisional) and proceeding through other common non divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division; and
G. Best cumulative Conference winning percentage of non-divisional opponents (Note: If two teams' non-divisional opponents have the same cumulative record, then the two-team tiebreaker procedures apply. If four teams are tied, and three teams' non-divisional opponents have the same cumulative record, the three-team tiebreaker procedures will be used beginning with 2.A.);
Assuming bama/lsu/om all have 1 loss to each other, I think this would go down the list of tiebreaks until you get to G which basically compares the records of each team's east opponents. So basically it'd be:
Bama- Tennessee and Kentuky
LSU- Missouri and Florida
OM- Vandy and UGA
Whoever's opponents above combine to have the best record would go.
ETA: Unless Item B means overall record? I';d think that's a crappy way to determine though since not everyone's OOC schdules are equal
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 10:16 am
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:15 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
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Eta moral of the story is 2-loss LSU wouldn’t be in the playoffs. They would’ve last year but even if they run the table, not happening this year. Get the playoffs out of your head now.
Most years it seems to magically work itself out. It would be fitting in this, the last year of the 4 team playoff, that chaos would ensue if a SEC team was left out.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:23 am to TopWaterTiger
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Most years it seems to magically work itself out.
Yep, people would do well to remember this after the initial rankings come out. Nothing really matters at all until after conf championship weekend, since that's the biggest factor in determing a team's resume.
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It would be fitting in this, the last year of the 4 team playoff, that chaos would ensue if a SEC team was left out.
eeeehhhh I don't know if it'd be chaos...if LSU has 2 losses and other champs have 0/1 that's pretty much standard operating procedure as far as playoff selections gf.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:27 am to WG_Dawg
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G. Best cumulative Conference winning percentage of non-divisional opponents (Note: If two teams' non-divisional opponents have the same cumulative record, then the two-team tiebreaker procedures apply. If four teams are tied, and three teams' non-divisional opponents have the same cumulative record, the three-team tiebreaker procedures will be used beginning with 2.A.);
Assuming bama/lsu/om all have 1 loss to each other, I think this would go down the list of tiebreaks until you get to G which basically compares the records of each team's east opponents. So basically it'd be:
Bama- Tennessee and Kentuky
LSU- Missouri and Florida
OM- Vandy and UGA
Whoever's opponents above combine to have the best record would go.
Does look like it’d go al the way down to the last G. tiebreaker then. There’s one of the conferences that used ranking as the tie-breaker but guess that wasn’t the SEC. Honestly don’t think it comes to this though. if your dawgs get upset by Ole Miss then they deserve to be in the SECCG even though they’d probably get routed in a rematch in Atlanta. Tends to be how rematches go.
But barring a lot of chaos, it’s going to come down to LSU v Bama for the west again this year like in most typical years.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:28 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
Just glad everyone understands that we are in over UGA. If we make it that is
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:35 am to LSUTitan99
I understand that, at mid season right now, the SEC doesn’t look as strong as some of these other conferences. But we still have half a season to go to show what we got. If you’re coming into town with a heisman and an SEC trophy, I have to believe the committee will have to think long and hard about the fact that the SEC has won five out of the last six national championships. Until that trend stops, they should keep letting one of our teams in.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:36 am to LSUTitan99
Negative. Not a chance
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:39 am to geauxcoco
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I have to believe the committee will have to think long and hard about the fact that the SEC has won five out of the last six national championships.
none of that matters one iota when selecting the playoff teams
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Until that trend stops, they should keep letting one of our teams in.
they shouldn't "let SEC teams in" based on the past, that's ridiculous. There is a very clear and observable trend of how the committee operates and I don't think they're going to switch things up now.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:02 am to WG_Dawg
This conversation has gone to something I didn’t intend. I was arguing that 11-2 LSU would be in OVER 12-1 UGA IF an SEC team made it
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:08 am to LSUTitan99
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This conversation has gone to something I didn’t intend. I was arguing that 11-2 LSU would be in OVER 12-1 UGA IF an SEC team made it
If 3 slots are taken and that's the debate for the 4th, I tend to agree but there isn't an exact, 100%, apples to apples precedent so I'd hesitate to say it'd be a slam dunk. Let's look at 2016. In 2016 Ohio State didn't win their division and had 1 loss to Penn State. Penn State won the Big 10, beat Ohio State, yet missed the playoffs while OS made it. Why? Becuase OSu only had 1 loss to PS's 2. The reason that isn't exactly apples to apples is bc they met int he regular season opposed to in the title game, but it at least shows taht it's not a complete and total certainty that they'd make it.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:15 am to WG_Dawg
Fair enough
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:42 am to WG_Dawg
I think you’re wrong. SEC teams know how to win the playoff. Plain and simple. I wouldn’t be shocked at all If one of our teams got in there and proved we could beat any of these Pac 12 or big 10 teams. You never know it could happen, the SEC could start playing better, and these other conferences could start losing some games too. It is a full body of work, and we’re only halfway through it. And like someone said earlier, this all tends to work itself out the way it should. This is a weird season this year. In 2007 I saw a 2 loss LSU team go to the NCG. Crazier things have happened.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:51 am to PigDog33
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Realistic chance of no SEC teams in the playoffs if UGA doesn’t win the SECCG
Never happen.
Posted on 10/12/23 at 12:00 pm to LSUTitan99
We just struggled won vs Missouri and gave up 700 yards to ole miss. I'd pump the brakes on running the table
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:36 am to Godfather1
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This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 6:07 am
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