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re: LSU was snake-bitten last year.

Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:16 pm to
Posted by Boh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
12361 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:16 pm to
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Have you never heard of in sports, a team, a coach, a player getting fat and happy after a championship season and getting lots of money? Are you seriously questioning that this ever happens? He was a good (not great) coach early on at LSU who had the benefit of some great players that had been "coached up" to be leaders, he also had the fortune of good luck and some good breaks, but even more importantly, he had balls and moxie and his team fed off of his confidence.

Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17773 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:19 pm to
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PP interception against Bama...


Agreed. Terrible call. It was clearly an int. Now, LSU driving down the field and scoring the winning TD is a different story, but it was a terrible call.

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Onside kick against Ole Miss: PP's right toe could not have been out by more than 2".


Calling a shotgun pass play in FG range with less then 40 seconds left when all you need is a FG to win and letting 20 seconds roll off the clock before calling a timeout overshadows that play. It wasn't a good time for an onside kick anyway.

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Injuries to JJ, Charles Scott, and KW occurred at critical times in ball games. Nobody can tell me that there isn't a difference between your first string RB and your third string.


Agreed.

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Lafell continued to drop passes last year...


Didn't help that we had an Oline that provided little pass protection, no running game, and an OC whose scheme just confused all of the players.

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Offensive PI against Florida. Yes, "Nuts" says we still would have lost that game 6-3, but I think your play-calling has to change if your down 3 as opposed to 10.


"Nuts" is right. Meyer just played field position the whole game, we couldn't stop their power running game and defensively they were getting pressure without blitzing. His scheme was to not frick it up on offense because the defense is dominating. LSU's only points were aided by a pass int. call on Florida. But is Florida needed to score again, they would have.

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Bad weather against Penn State. That field played right into the hands of Penn State. It negated our speed and quickness, and let Penn State use their size.


No excuse. Penn St. has speed and had to play in bad weather too.

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It just seemed like the other team, no matter who we were playing, had the right play called at exactly the right time(See Patrick Peterson against Bama).


That's no coincidence, that's being outcoached. Why do opposing coaches always know the perfect plays to run against LSU? You really think Bama didn't know Peterson was out of the game? Of course they did, I can assure you Saban set up that play for when Peterson was not in the game. Miles didn't make adjustments and double cover Jones when Peterson was out, instead he put a Safety on him.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12728 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:23 pm to
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Have you never heard of in sports, a team, a coach, a player getting fat and happy after a championship season and getting lots of money? Are you seriously questioning that this ever happens?
No, I was simply asking if this was what you actually contend to be the case with Miles.

I'm curious if you would be as flip with a similar assessment of Saban's sub-par and post-"gettin' paid" 2004 season . . .

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I'm saying that after he won it all, for some reason he made bad decisions the last two years, and and behaved (unlike the years before) in a way that was detrimental to his team.
Well, make up your mind. Is it "for some reason," or is it because he quit trying?

Posted by Boh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
12361 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:25 pm to
Miles - complacency
Saban - greedy frick looking for another job

those were the reasons IMO
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:26 pm to
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Have you never heard of in sports, a team, a coach, a player getting fat and happy after a championship season and getting lots of money? Are you seriously questioning that this ever happens?


Im not saying it never happens...but you don't know if it has happened to Miles. Its speculation not fact.

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Did he lose confidence? You don't know
Did he quit trying as hard? You don't know
Did he make some bad decisions? Yes
Did he neglect to properly coach the players? You don't know
Did he hire poor assistants and not punish them? Which poor assistants did he not punish
Did he act like a leader? Yes
Did he prepare for games? Yes...and to think otherwise is just dumb. He's been coaching a very long time.
Posted by LJGFORMVP
Gonzales,Louisiana
Member since May 2009
112 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:36 pm to
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PP interception against Bama


horrid call for sure, but bad calls happen all the time...we still could have won the game if brandon taylor makes a tackle

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Onside kick against Ole Miss: PP's right toe could not have been out by more than 2".


eh, i dont even really remember that

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Injuries to JJ, Charles Scott, and KW occurred at critical times in ball games. Nobody can tell me that there isn't a difference between your first string RB and your third string.


injuries happen, you gotta deal with it

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Lafell continued to drop passes last year...


nothing to do with being unlucky

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Offensive PI against Florida. Yes, "Nuts" says we still would have lost that game 6-3, but I think your play-calling has to change if your down 3 as opposed to 10.


we were physically dominated in that game and could have just as easily lost 35-3...anyone who says otherwise is either lying to himself or didnt watch the game...nothing unlucky about this either

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Bad weather against Penn State. That field played right into the hands of Penn State. It negated our speed and quickness, and let Penn State use their size.


they played on the same field and penn state runs a version of the spread...sure the field was awful but we didnt deserve to win that game...nothing unlucky about this

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It just seemed like the other team, no matter who we were playing, had the right play called at exactly the right time(See Patrick Peterson against Bama).


this has nothing to do with luck either, its called good coaching

did we catch some tough breaks? sure, absolutely, but we simply were not a very good team last year and unfortunately i dont envision this season being much different
This post was edited on 6/30/10 at 1:39 pm
Posted by Kreg Jennings
Parts Unknown
Member since Aug 2007
3910 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:43 pm to
I was dissapointed by last year's mishap...and I'll sum it up with this tid bit of wisdom...

Luck is where opportunity meets preparation....we caught some bad breaks with injuries and calls, and addidtionally we failed to execute where oppurtunity allowed itself...so by that rationale...we weren't prepared to answer the call of oppurtunity because of our lack of execution, or preparation...

In short....luck (opportunity meeting preparation) wasn't in our corner.
Posted by cggeaxtigers
Southeastern, North America
Member since Jan 2008
3264 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:45 pm to
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Luck is where opportunity meets preparation


preparation is what we are lacking!
Posted by Kreg Jennings
Parts Unknown
Member since Aug 2007
3910 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:53 pm to
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preparation is what we are lacking!


that's a point I was trying to suggest
Posted by BigDaddy45
Member since Oct 2007
115 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 1:58 pm to
Clock management against Ole Miss took any doubt out of my mind that it was bad luck.

I won't list the rest because I don't want to go negaitive all the time. I pray 2009 was a fluke and not a trend.
Posted by peopleschamp
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
6576 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 2:00 pm to
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Good and bad breaks are part of the game. We lost because we didn't execute and the teams that beat us did.

Agree with this. I have never been in favor of making excuses. All teams have a certain amount of adversity to overcome. Some do and some don't. We did a fair job last year. We have done an average job the last 2 years. We shall see how next year goes. I expect the last 2 years are what Miles will produce. Solid teams but nothing exceptional.

Posted by LSUray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2003
1407 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 2:01 pm to
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It wasn't a good time for an onside kick anyway.


I don't necessarily agree with that. It was one of the few times last year where we actually saw the aggressive Les Miles from 2007, and he saw the opportunity to put the game away early. LSU had a 2 touchdown lead and Ole Miss was out of it emotionally at the time. Another 3 points or a touchdown then would have really deflated Ole Miss. If it had worked successfully, like it was very very close to doing, there would not have been one person saying that it was a bad time for an onside kick. Instead people would have been praising Les for his slamming the door on Ole Miss.
Posted by AUmember
Lakeland Floria
Member since Jun 2010
50 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 2:01 pm to
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[I presume you are referring to the "surprise" onside kick that we attempted. IMO, that was a very poor decision by the staff. It entirely reversed the momentum of the game at a key juncture. Moreover, whatever bad luck we suffered was more than offset by Miles' lunacy at the end of the game.]


So was it a good call when it worked in 2007? Was it a good call when the Saints did it in the Super-Bowl?

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[I agree. To be fair, though, the passes intended for LaFell were often at his ankles or behind him due to the ineptitude of our QB's. Also, at some point, the coaching staff has to be held accountable for teaching proper technique and fostering mental focus amongst the players.]


The passes in the Ole Miss game were in his hands.

Posted by LSUray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2003
1407 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 2:04 pm to
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The passes in the Ole Miss game were in his hands.


Exactly! He had at least 3 drops right in his hands that would have been drive-sustaining and time killing catches when LSU still had the lead. I blamed Lafell at the end of that game as much as Les Miles because the clock issues would have not occurred of Lafell had made several of those catches.
Posted by peopleschamp
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
6576 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 2:05 pm to
Does being Snake Bitten involve having the 12th ranked SEC offense and falling out of the top 100 in the NCAA? Was this just bad luck? The offensive line was suppose to be a team strength according to Les. I tend to think it was poor play that produced the offensive production we had last year not bad luck.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31326 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 3:17 pm to
We were a bit unlucky but a lot of calls went our way.

- First quarter of Ole Miss game, two Ole Miss TDs called back.

- First quarter of Auburn game, lot of calls went our way enabling us to score a couple of times

- The Ridley spot in the Ark game. Games was lost if the right call was made

- Escaped by the skin of our teeth vs MSU. Lucky again

It all evens out and usually within the same season.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296743 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 3:37 pm to
UGA celebration penalty...
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12728 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 3:43 pm to
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UGA celebration penalty...


I always have to laugh at people who completely dismiss any suggestion that the blatant blown PI call that gave Florida their only TD against us or the obvious INT taken away from us that would have given us the ball within a TD late in the game might have had any impact on the outcome of those games, but insist that a 15 yard penalty on a kickoff that actually got a makeup call on the following kickoff made a difference in the Georgia game.

All we hear is, "we still could have stopped Bama," or, "Florida could have scored more TDs if they wanted to but they just didn't feel like scoring," but somehow the significance of Trindon's great kick return, our offense punching it in, and Georgia doing absolutely nothing when given the exact same penalty situation in return is deemed negligible.

Classic "objectivity" and "realism" from the crowd that lives to trash LSU.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296743 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 3:59 pm to
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All we hear is, "we still could have stopped Bama," or, "Florida could have scored more TDs if they wanted to but they just didn't feel like scoring," but somehow the significance of Trindon's great kick return, our offense punching it in, and Georgia doing absolutely nothing when given the exact same penalty situation in return is deemed negligible


You assume too much, this was never implied. The point was that LSU suffered "bad breaks" last year. LSU also was on the receiving end of some "good luck" as well.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33265 posts
Posted on 6/30/10 at 4:03 pm to
I'm speculating that he didn't try as hard, but I don't live in his head, so I don't know. To me, it appeared that he did. But this is the Rant, so I can say without equivocation that yes, he in fact did quit trying.
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