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re: LSU Oversigns?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:52 pm to molsusports
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:52 pm to molsusports
quote:
I'm confused by your post - they already limit schollies to 25/year and 85 total
The 85 only counts current players once they are on campus and practicing. But the 85 doesn't apparently count the players that have signed and not on campus over the summer. Scholarship numbers should include current players and future players that have already signed a LOI. That would fix the problem right there.
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Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:53 pm to LSU77
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You can only enroll 25 kids per year on schollie and have only 85 on schollie total. Add up 25x4, thats 100. so 15 kids every 4 years have got to quit, to sign 25. A schollie is per year, they are not for 4 years, they get renewed every year or they don't. Thats the rules per NCAA.
Why do you have to sign 25 every year?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:54 pm to RedHawk
quote:You don't and sometimes can't.
Why do you have to sign 25 every year?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:56 pm to CajunSensation
quote:
They already do this. I think what you meant was for them to not let a coach give out more offers than they have place for?
No, obviously every coach gives out way more offers than they have room for, but once a kid signs a LOI then that should count towards the 85 number right then and there and not wait until practice starts in the fall.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:56 pm to LSU77
quote:
You can only enroll 25 kids per year on schollie and have only 85 on schollie total. Add up 25x4, thats 100. so 15 kids every 4 years have got to quit, to sign 25. A schollie is per year, they are not for 4 years, they get renewed every year or they don't. Thats the rules per NCAA.
And that's not including 5th years seniors.
To the OP, think of it like this, you are looking for work. a) You have your dream company, great company in a great location with the best work force.
b) you have a lesser company, lesser pay, less desirable location and a less competitive work force.
Now if you apply to a and don't get in you can still go to b. But if you apply to b you can't apply to a.
I know it's not exactly a perfect analogy but you get the idea.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:57 pm to RedHawk
You seem to have the idea that kids coming out of high school will reliably qualify (many don't) and choose to stay with a program for four years (many don't)
That is FAR from the truth
Many schools (including LSU) suffer significant attrition as kids:
1) flunk out
2) are kicked off the team
3) transfer for playing time or other reasons
4) stop playing football to just be college students
5) leave early to go pro in football or another sport
The whole reason for the NCAA allowing 25 scholarships/year but only 85 total is they recognize these are legitimate issues
That is FAR from the truth
Many schools (including LSU) suffer significant attrition as kids:
1) flunk out
2) are kicked off the team
3) transfer for playing time or other reasons
4) stop playing football to just be college students
5) leave early to go pro in football or another sport
The whole reason for the NCAA allowing 25 scholarships/year but only 85 total is they recognize these are legitimate issues
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:57 pm to RedHawk
You don't. LSU only signed 14, I think, in 2005. BUT, if you want to win, you find a way to sign as many as you can, and ask the ones that didn't pan out, not good enough, to move on and find them a school to transfer to.
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:58 pm to RedHawk
quote:
Why do you have to sign 25 every year?
To give your team the best chance to win?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:58 pm to noonan
quote:
And that's not including 5th years seniors.
To the OP, think of it like this, you are looking for work. a) You have your dream company, great company in a great location with the best work force.
b) you have a lesser company, lesser pay, less desirable location and a less competitive work force.
Now if you apply to a and don't get in you can still go to b. But if you apply to b you can't apply to a.
I know it's not exactly a perfect analogy but you get the idea.
Not even close. That would be like applying for a and getting a. Then moving to a to start work only to be told that you can't work at a once you start the first day on the job. Then you also can't start work at b because all of their positions are already filled too.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:59 pm to RedHawk
quote:
No, obviously every coach gives out way more offers than they have room for, but once a kid signs a LOI then that should count towards the 85 number right then and there and not wait until practice starts in the fall.
No it shouldn't - because typically a few kids don't qualify academically
This year LSU had everyone qualify academically and had a player drafted in teh first round by the Dodgers decide to come to LSU to play baseball and football instead
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:00 pm to RedHawk
quote:Pete Carroll didn't.
No, obviously every coach gives out way more offers than they have room for,
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:00 pm to noonan
quote:
To give your team the best chance to win?
Under the current rules, Yes that is correct. But if the rules would change, then it wouldn't be an option and coaches would have to recruit to 85 thus only offering scholarships to those that they knew had a great chance of qualifying.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:02 pm to LSUray
quote:
My problem with blaming Miles for the miscommunication is that Miles was probably not the only person discussing the scholarship issues with this kid.
Yes, but Les Miles is the HC and with that position comes the ultimate responsibility.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:03 pm to molsusports
Right, Lee has until the 16th of this month to decide to go to the Dodgers or to LSU, IF he goes to MLB, that would open up a spot at that time. NOW, how many kids pass up a first round pick by a team like the Dodgers and come to college ? Not many, this is a strange year and one that may not every happen again.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:03 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:No doubt. Another "mismanagement". I bet he's one unorganized cluster frick in real life too.
Yes, but Les Miles is the HC and with that position comes the ultimate responsibility.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:04 pm to molsusports
quote:
You seem to have the idea that kids coming out of high school will reliably qualify (many don't) and choose to stay with a program for four years (many don't)
That is FAR from the truth
Many schools (including LSU) suffer significant attrition as kids:
1) flunk out
2) are kicked off the team
3) transfer for playing time or other reasons
4) stop playing football to just be college students
5) leave early to go pro in football or another sport
The whole reason for the NCAA allowing 25 scholarships/year but only 85 total is they recognize these are legitimate issues
I understand attrition. But just think if scholarship offers were more strict, then it would force both the student athlete and coach to up their standards to qualify.
If a coach knew that a kid may not qualify it may make them think twice before offering. Conversely if a student athlete knew that a coach may not offer because of grades or something like that, then maybe it would force the kid to study harder and stay out of trouble.
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:06 pm to RedHawk
quote:
those that they knew had a great chance of qualifying.
Key word there is CHANCE of qualifying. What if a kid didn't, why should a school not be able to fill that spot if they could?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:07 pm to RedHawk
quote:
thus only offering scholarships to those that they knew had a great chance of qualifying.
Que those pining for the lost oportunities of the under educated (The Dexter Manleys of the world).
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:07 pm to RedHawk
quote:
then it would force both the student athlete and coach to up their standards to qualify.
You must live in a dream world. Kids will always be kids.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:08 pm to RedHawk
quote:
But just think if scholarship offers were more strict, then it would force both the student athlete and coach to up their standards to qualify.
Explain this statement in a concrete sense - those pressures already exist
Kids would still have the same issues with getting qualified and signed... schools already back away from marginal guys who might not qualify in favor of similar prospects who likely will. The great players are still going to get offers
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