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re: LSU or Ole Miss in 2009

Posted on 1/3/09 at 2:06 pm to
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
15909 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 2:06 pm to
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This statement is idiotic. I guess wins over Florida, Auburn, LSU (an absolute behind the woodshed beating), Mississippi State (we allowed them 37 total yards), and Arkansas proves that the SEC is just too tough for us. We lost 4 games this year while our team was adjusting to Nutt's new system by a total of 16 points, and closed out the season with six straight wins. Every team we lost to played in a bowl. We just put 47 on the number 7 team in the country who was crying that they should be playing in the national championship game. I think we'll be just fine in the SEC.


Bama and LSU are a level above ole miss in my opinion. I don't think you have the horses to compete with LSU (if coached properly) and Bama (which is coached properly).

As I said, you would likely win the ACC or Big East.

I wish you well, but in my opinion, the talent level at Bama and LSU just trumps your talent. Yes you beat us this year, but I thinking coaching had a lot to do with it.

We will see next year. I am sorry, but I pick ole miss third next year.
Posted by Tigerik
Franklin, TN
Member since Mar 2007
1720 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 2:10 pm to
LSU - We own Ole Miss in Oxford. Ole Miss has a weak recruiting year and even though they'll have a better QB in my opinion, we'll have a better overall team. The team.

Nutt is crazy and a better coach than he gets credit for, but he won't pull that same game on us next year.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12724 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 4:02 pm to
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Nutt owns LSU
2-2 vs. Miles at LSU; 2-3 vs. Saban at LSU; 1-1 vs. pre-Saban LSU; 6-6 all time vs. LSU. "Owns"?

Posted by Oakflat
Logansport
Member since Nov 2008
90 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 4:13 pm to
LSU needs to improve alot in alot of areas before they can claim the SEC West.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
78573 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 4:17 pm to
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That Program will only get better over the next 2-3 years,


no it wont

there are a couple rock solid facts about houston nutt:

-he is a great, great gameday coach

-give him 2-3 playmakers on offense, and he'll give you fits

-he's going to get his players drink the kool-aid and think theyre way better than they actually are

-he's a great coach if your program needs a quick fix

-he is not a long term guy because he cant recruit or run a program

he will do well with orgeron's recruits, then when theyre all gone, ole miss will be back to sucking
Posted by OleMissFan08
Mississippi
Member since Nov 2008
285 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 5:07 pm to
Guys, the West will run through Oxford. I guarantee the OM/Bama and OM/LSU game in Oxford will determine who goes to the SEC Championship.

We lose Oher off the line on offense. John Jerry, an underrated RT, will take his place on the LT, and Markuson has done a good job in recruiting some big JUCO OL to come in and contribute.

We return 17 starters (considering Hardy doesn't go pro).

Wallace is good, but we're probably going to land Patrick Patterson, the best WR in the state, and you guys should know Wallace isn't the only good receiver we have. Shay Hodge, McCluster (whoever said he's going pro is insane, he's 5'7 165lbs.), Summers, Breaux, Andrew Harris, and others.

On defense, we lose Peria Jerry, but Jerrell Powe has started to contribute more and more as the season has gone on and should do a great job. We have Tillman, Hardy, Lockett, Powe, Lawson Scott, and plenty of others on the line.

As far as LBs, we only lose Fein and Palmer, both of which didn't even start at times this season.

Secondary, we lose Jamarca Samford but Johnny Brown has experience and has done a great job as a backup. We're also adding 5 star Demond Washington and Ohio State transfer James Scott at the corners.


Bash all you guys want about Ole Miss, and I would expect you to, but if we play next season like we finished this season, the West is Ole Miss's to lose.
Posted by OleMissFan08
Mississippi
Member since Nov 2008
285 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 5:16 pm to
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he will do well with orgeron's recruits, then when theyre all gone, ole miss will be back to sucking


Considering McCluster's was a 3 star, Greg Hardy was a 3 star, Peria Jerry was a 3 star , Shay Hodge was a 3 star, Mike Wallace was a 2 star, Marshay Green a 3 star, all of our OL two and three stars besides Oher, players that have all contributed heavily into the success for Ole Miss, I don't think you can say 'O was a monster recruiter'. He just recruited hidden gems. Nutt recruits very similarly.

Nutt gets no credit as a recruiter, but here's something for ya, he recruited Brandon Bolden when he was in Arkansas and then got him at Ole Miss, and he recruited Gerald Harris out of JUCO in Texas, they both combined for 3 TDs in the Cotton Bowl. Bolden's a freshman y'all let out of y'all's backyard and went over 100 yards for us yesterday. Nutt recruits just like O does, Nutt just doesn't get the credit for the bigtime 5 stars that don't qualify.
Posted by houndstooth mafia
God's country baby
Member since Jan 2007
422 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 6:25 pm to
Bama
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12724 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:03 pm to
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DiNardo syndrome?
Perhaps, except that it seems he can be his own Tepper at times. If he could just muster up the nerve to fire "stupid Nutt", he would most likely be a Championship Coach at an elite program very soon. Of course, if he had the ability to do that, he would already be a Championship Coach at an elite program . . .

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12724 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:12 pm to
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People are forgetting some of the guys we're losing in the process.
Maybe, but maybe they are just remembering that two of the guys we are losing are Mallory and Peveto.

LSU this year was like Usain Bolt racing with a broken leg and finishing 3rd. Because of freakishly bad coaching that has already been changed, we finished 3rd this year behind some teams that may or may not be just as good next year. But basing predictions for next year on LSU's performance this year makes about as much sense as predicting Bolt would keep finishing 3rd after his leg healed.

Posted by DeuceisLoose
Mandeville
Member since Sep 2008
2455 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:16 pm to
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But basing predictions for next year on LSU's performance this year makes about as much sense as predicting Bolt would keep finishing 3rd after his leg healed.


Basing next year's success on a bowl victory over Georgia Tech is foolhardy as well.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33259 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:21 pm to
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LSU or Ole Miss in 2009
Who is more likely to win the SEC West next year..........and why?
Ole Miss. Why? They have better QB experience and LSU's away games are Bama, and Ole Piss.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33259 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:22 pm to
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Because of freakishly bad coaching that has already been changed,
It was also (and mostly) cause by freakishly bad QB play. It wasn't just the defense.
Posted by Oakflat
Logansport
Member since Nov 2008
90 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:33 pm to
The offense was no better than the defense and was alot of the problem. They haven't fixed all the problem or they would get rid of the QB coach, or o-line coach.

Blaming it all on the defense is the easy thing to do, if you cant see the offense was just a big a problem and the QB situation was the main reason you lost 5 games, you are just fricking dumb, or delusional.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12724 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 10:13 pm to
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Basing next year's success on a bowl victory over Georgia Tech is foolhardy as well.
Basing anything solely on one game other than the outcome of that game is silly. That's why I was suggesting a broader picture.

Judging next year based solely on one game is too narrow a view. So is judging LSU's program based solely on the results of one season. The caliber of players and coaches (now) are proven Championship level. To assume that one aberrant season is indicative of the future is fairly foolish, especially when there are strong indications of specific causes for the aberration, and those causes have been changed.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12724 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 10:17 pm to
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It was also (and mostly) cause by freakishly bad QB play.
I disagree almost completely. Yes, the QB play was almost freakishly bad, too. But the defense was much more responsible for our struggles than our QB play. Giving up 38 and 44 points to Georgia and Florida, 31 points to Arkansas, etc., etc.

However, it doesn't really change the prospects anyway. The QB situation is not the same, either. Our QB play this year was the result of having zero QBs with meaningful game experience. Now we have 3 with significant starting experience, and all will have another year of practice and development in the system.

So whether it was the defensive coaching or the inexperience at QB, the problem element has been removed.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12724 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 10:28 pm to
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if you cant see the offense was just a big a problem and the QB situation was the main reason you lost 5 games, you are just fricking dumb, or delusional.
No offense that puts up 38 points (even if they give up two pick 6s) is to blame for losing a game where the defense gave up 5 60+ TD drives. You give up 38 points to long drives, you have failed miserably. An offense that puts up 38 and gives up 14 has still put its defense 24 points ahead. That's not a miserable failure.

If you can't see that, I don't really care what your problem is. I'll just thank god you don't coach any team I care about.

You sound just like the idiots who blamed that '98 Notre Dame loss on the offense because they couldn't score "when they needed to."

We had the game tied, 7-7, early on. Then the defense goes out and gives up two 70+ yard TD drives back to back, and BAM! we're down two TDs. So the offense puts up 10 straight to pull us back to within 4, and what does the defense do? Give up 17 straight, all starting from inside the Georgia 36, and BAM! we're down 21. So our offense goes out and puts up another TD to cut back into the lead, and what does the defense do? Give up ANOTHER LONG TD DRIVE!

Yeah, sounds like the Steel Curtain to me.

Posted by Oakflat
Logansport
Member since Nov 2008
90 posts
Posted on 1/3/09 at 10:56 pm to
No matter how you slice it the offense gave up 17 to Georgia. If the offense dont give them 17 points LSU wins the game.

If you cant see that the offense (QB play) was the biggest problem on the year, and for the defense you are just a complete ignorant coonass.

Florida and Ole Miss were obviously better than LSU this year and no matter who was the DC would have lost those two games.

The offense gave Georgia and Alabama the games, and the only loss where the defense was the biggest culprit was Arkansas. You cant leave your D on the field all game long and expect them to hold teams to nothing. Yeah bring up the Georgia game again, the offense didn't do anything but give up two of the touchdowns and gave them field position inside the 15 and the D held them to a field goal.

You saw what the D could do with good QB play and a little mojo in the bowl game. You are always on the D about not playing inspired, how can you when you have sudden changes after an int. (around 22 on the year) and the offense giving up scores instead of scoring (7 times). You make a stop, wham, back on the field. Give up a score, wham, back on the field b/c of an int.

Solid QB play would have been a 10 win season.

If you think Chavis will do any better in the same situation with the same schedule, dream on dumbfrick.
Posted by ChuckDockery
NOLA
Member since Jan 2005
3088 posts
Posted on 1/4/09 at 1:02 am to
And the last time Ole Miss put together two solid seasons in a row was????
This post was edited on 1/4/09 at 1:53 am
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12724 posts
Posted on 1/4/09 at 1:12 am to
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No matter how you slice it the offense gave up 17 to Georgia. If the offense dont give them 17 points LSU wins the game.
No, they didn't. Giving the other team the ball on their own 35 yard line does not absolve the defense for giving up a score.

quote:

You cant leave your D on the field all game long and expect them to hold teams to nothing.
But you can put them on the field less than 30 minutes and expect them to hold teams to less than 38 points scored from their own 35 or deeper.

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You saw what the D could do with good QB play and a little mojo in the bowl game
No, I saw what our team could do when the defense wasn't giving up TDs right and left and getting picked apart by a team with the ability to consistently complete a forward pass.

quote:

after an int. (around 22 on the year)
18 is "around 22"?

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dumbfrick
You are the one who can't figure out from a simple stat sheet that Georgia never kicked a FG on a possession they started inside the 10 because of an Interception. You have flat out invented that piece of bullshite and insisted on repeating it because you know that your entire argument is bullshite. You've known it ever since I (among others) opened your eyes to some semblance of understanding of the way the games actually occurred (beyond, "hey, that dude threw a bunch of pick 6's!"

You are basically arguing that once a QB throws a pick-6, no defense could ever possibly be capable of ever stopping any offense for the rest of the game (or is it the whole season?). That, my friend, is a "dumbfrick" notion.

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