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re: LSU, Ohio State, SEC ,and media/I don't get it!?!?
Posted on 7/26/08 at 9:17 pm to BuckeyeFan87
Posted on 7/26/08 at 9:17 pm to BuckeyeFan87
To our TuscaloserU fans, Les Miles is less of an idiot than Saban. A great leader knows to let his aides (coaches) do the coaching. That's something Nick the Prick never learned. He IS pretty good at running off his coaches! Unlike Saban, Miles surrounds himself with great assistant coaches who leave by getting promoted to head coach.
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Posted on 7/27/08 at 12:12 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:I don't see that at all:
(Dorsey, Hester, Steltz, Highsmith, Docet, Flynn).
As an LSU fan, you know their replacements and how talented/highly touted they were, but they are still inexperienced .
Dorsey's replacement -- Favorite, Alexander or Jean-Francois; combine for 20 career starts, with Alexander and Favorite each having at least 8 starts under their belts; all three started multiple games last year alongside Dorsey; we return a total of 23 career starts at DT
Hester's replacement -- Keiland, Scott or Murphy; Keiland has a lot of experience and was the primary ball carrier for half a season, and Scott has had a bunch of carries and big roles in games as well
Doucet's replacement -- Byrd, Lafell, J. Mitchell or Tolliver; all four played extensively and started during the nearly half a season Doucet missed last year; we return at least 23 career starts at the position
Steltz's replacement -- presumably Coleman; not a starter, but has played extensively and took over for most of the National Championship Game with an exemplary performance on the biggest stage in college football
Now, if you are suggesting these are further areas of ignorance when it comes to the media, I wouldn't presume to argue. But the truth is that the replacements for most of the players we lost (and by far the most talented one) are not inexperienced.
Posted on 7/27/08 at 12:24 am to DanglingFury
quote:Auburn has won this game 5 times in the last 10 years, and has won the West just twice in that time. LSU has won this game 5 times in the last 10 years and has won the West 4 times. The recent trend is that when we win this game, we win the West.
Auburn's got us at home, and since usually the winner of this game wins the West, that's why people are picking them
Historically (since the split), the winner of this game has won the West 7 times in 16 seasons (less than half the time). While it is true that the loser of this game has never won the West, the only real correlation between winning this game and winning the West is LSU's record of winning the West 4 of the 7 times we have won our game with Auburn. And that's a correlation of just over half, so not that strong at all. However, it is far stronger than the correlation of Auburn's 9 wins against us with just 3 trips to Atlanta.
Posted on 7/27/08 at 12:34 am to zack7552
quote:I respectfully disagree. #1 is always the best place to be ranked, especially in a system like the current one where ever spot below #1 increases the possibility of missing out on the national championship game regardless of your performance. It may be a long shot, but every spot below that is just a slight bit more likely to be an undefeated team left on the outside.
Number 1 and 2 in the preseason isn't always the best place to be.
If you truly believe that our ranking directly impacts our chances of winning or losing actual games, then you may be correct. I have enough faith in our team that I do not believe pollsters' rankings are going to be a signficant factor in the outcome of our games. I'm not suggesting you have any less faith or anything, it's just the kind of faith I have in our program.
When it comes to rankings and our team's performance, I believe all things are equal. And all things being equal, it's better to be #1 than not.
Posted on 7/27/08 at 12:49 am to pjcantrelle
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It doesn't matter where you start the season, it matters where you finish it.
i understand and agree with the point i believe you are trying to make (ie - they don't give out a trophy for the team that is #1 in the PREseason)
but i disagree with the statement. as we almost demonstrated in 2003 and auburn did in 2004, it DOES matter where you start.
Posted on 7/27/08 at 12:53 am to Doc Fenton
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The SEC media as a group is rather unintelligent. I thought when they picked LSU to finish 5th in the West in baseball earlier this year (despite being ranked #30 in a national preseason poll), that that would be the stupidest consensus prognostication I would ever see in my lifetime.
You might want to get your facts straight. There is no media baseball poll. It was the coaches' poll that picked LSU fifth in the West.
Posted on 7/27/08 at 2:35 am to lsusa
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but i disagree with the statement. as we almost demonstrated in 2003 and auburn did in 2004, it DOES matter where you start
I will concede the point that it does matter where you start the season. In the setting of a 3 way tie at the end of a season, then it's certainly important...but not as important as overall SOS, OOC strength, margin of victory (yes, it plays in the minds of the voters). I don't think the 2003 Tigers outranked OU or USC in the preseason...I thought we were like 12th...but I may be wrong.
All that being said...the 2008 Tigers do not deserve a top-5 ranking in the preseason.
Do we have the talent to win the whole MF thing? Abso-f*ckin-lutely. So, honestly, I'd rather us be #10 rather than #2 right now. Isn't top 10 good for a team with qbs who haven't even played in a college game?. I'm sorry...I'm a realist. I don't give a crap how many weeks USC or OU fans brag about being the AP #1...as long as the Tigers are #1 in the BCS on Jan 8, 2009. It is all settled in the end. A preseason ranking SHOULD NOT determine what happens in a 3-way tie (which is not that common anyway)...a plus-1 should do that. But, that's a completely different topic altogether.Posted on 7/27/08 at 2:49 am to Rocket
If the refs pull any funny business on us at AU this year, LSU fans will riot. I believe in them
There is no more perfect way to say what he just said...
I hate Auburn... just not as much as I hate 'Bama.
Here's to Les!
Get'em.
There is no more perfect way to say what he just said...
I hate Auburn... just not as much as I hate 'Bama.
Here's to Les!
Get'em.
Posted on 7/27/08 at 2:51 am to zack7552
quote:
So, honestly, I'd rather us be #10 rather than #2 right now.
quote:But since it can, then wouldn't it be better to start at #1 just to eliminate whatever slim chance of getting screwed might exist in the event we go undefeated with a #10 preseason ranking?
A preseason ranking SHOULD NOT determine what happens in a 3-way tie
Posted on 7/27/08 at 3:07 am to TRIAN73
quote:
LSU, Ohio State, SEC ,and media/I don't get it!?!?
I am a huge Tiger fan!! But I am really trying to understand this in an unbiased and realistic manner. We beat the hell out of Ohio St. for the National Championship, we win the SEC, we bring back most of our talent (we do lose our QB), and we are regarded as the most talented team in the SEC with the most depth BUT BUT BUT..
these preseason rankings have Ohio St. at #2, they have Georgia or Florida winning the SEC and some have Auburn winning the West?????
In an unbiased but realistic manner explain :
Why?
Why?
Simple, Anyone that isn't a fan just doesn't understand LSU Football....
They all think our QBs aren't capable... And thats just
Posted on 7/27/08 at 3:30 am to King Joey
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But since it can, then wouldn't it be better to start at #1 just to eliminate whatever slim chance of getting screwed might exist in the event we go undefeated with a #10 preseason ranking?
I'm really not being disagreeable.
:beatdeadhorse:
Is #1 better than #10? yes
Would I like the 2008 Tigers to have a #1 ranking right now? Sure, why not? My P&G glasses are on right now. Hell, the 2007 Tigers only blew the NC twice when they were number 1. Good thing WVU blew it, too or we'd be bragging about beating Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl. The 2006 Tigers had even more talent and they blew it losing to an inferior Auburn and FL (IMHO). The Tigers have a history of doing well when we're on top.
Do I think the 2008 Tigers DESERVE a #1 ranking right now? Ummmm...no. Do we deserve to be ranked in the top 10? Absolutely.
Do I think we deserve to be ranked ahead of FL and UGA? No.
OU, OSU, and USC? No. Mizzou? Probably. WVU? Maybe.
Auburn? If all things were equal, I would actually say yes, but I understand why people would favor them, since we haven't won at JH in 10 years...but that's the only reason. We have the edge with talent.
We are talking about the 2008 Tigers, right? The team that has all the talent and potential to go all the way...but hasn't proven anything yet on the field (new players included). Hey, if you think they deserve a preseason #1 ranking, then great.
Posted on 7/27/08 at 3:38 am to zack7552
quote:
I'm really not being disagreeable.
Is #1 better than #10? yes
Would I like the 2008 Tigers to have a #1 ranking right now? Sure, why not?
But, you said earlier you would rather them not be ranked #1.
I don't think anyone on this website thinks we are the premier team in the country going to the season.
And if the preseason rankings didn't matter, nobody would be bitching about not being #1
Posted on 7/27/08 at 7:46 am to Swampcat
Fine with me. Who gives a damn? It just takes a little pressure off of the qb and hopefully let's him play better.
Posted on 7/27/08 at 8:39 am to jrowla2
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ok I understand the new no experienced qb argument but then why is Auburn going to win the west over LSU
The ONLY 2 reasons (and I don't agree with this, but it is what it is) that Auburn would be projected to win the West over us are, 1.) Our schedule, and 2.) Tubby consistently gets more out of his team than should be expected, on paper.
It is not a stretch to say, if we play 3 or 4 games, and the QBs look merely good or better AND our corners are playing well, we should be regarded as a top 5 team, with just as good a chance to win it all as anybody else. However, the most critical positions on a team (QB and CB) are huge question marks for us that are not yet positives, neutrals or negatives for our team. Until those questions are answered, few in the national sports press are going to go out on a limb for us.
Posted on 7/27/08 at 8:53 am to King Joey
quote:
But since it can, then wouldn't it be better to start at #1 just to eliminate whatever slim chance of getting screwed might exist in the event we go undefeated with a #10 preseason ranking?
With all that has happened over the past two years, the SEC has re-established it's street cred. It would be incredibly unlikely for an undefeated ACC, Big-10 or Big-12 team to nudge an undefeated SEC team out of the big game, possibly excepting Michigan and FSU.
Having said that, there are a couple of scenarios that we should fear: Several teams could finish clustered at the top with one loss, tOSU, Michigan, USC, Notre Dame - couple that with an undefeated WVU or VT, a one loss LSU team, despite strong arguments in their favor, would have a tough time getting into the big game (as would most of the others - it would come down to Notre Dame and USC, which the head-to-head winner would probably get the nod, even with tOSU beating USC in the regular season).
Posted on 7/27/08 at 9:11 am to inelishaitrust
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I just think that there are much better coaches in the SEC than Les Miles. I was saying that Saban built the program, and once he got it going Les Miles did not have to do much. LSU was the most talented team in the nation last year.
It's very difficult to respect your opinion about Les Miles. I do not know how old you are or how long you have been watching college football.
In some respects, we Tiger fans are happy that others fail to see what Coach Miles has accomplished and just how good he really is at both recruiting and coaching.
I feel confident that your opinion of Les Miles will change in the future as you begin to learn something about college football.
Posted on 7/27/08 at 10:49 am to Rocket
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But, you said earlier you would rather them not be ranked #1
Didn't you read? I had to put on my P&G glasses. I didn't realize that I had to word these posts like a politician. Well, my official opinion is blah, blah, blah, yet my unofficial opinion is bliggity bleeh. My god.
1. My official point is that I think that LSU is right were it needs to be given our current situation.
2. Sometimes (IM ever-so-humble O), it may be better to be underranked than overranked. This may be one of those years. I think it gives us a better chance to win football games. Yes, I think rankings play into the psyche of COLLEGE KIDS.
3. If it comes down to 3-way ties, then I would surely HOPE that pollsters would consider OOC schedule, STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE, and performance on the field before using the preseason poll...WHICH IS A GUESS OF PERFORMANCE BEFORE ANYBODY PLAYS A DOWN. I think people put too much stock in preseason rankings...especially since they rarely play out in the end. If you disagree...fine. I don't care.
Posted on 7/27/08 at 11:00 am to DanglingFury
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This would be the first time in ten years we've won at Auburn. Man, I'd love to see that happen this year..
And if we do, does that make the starting QB, the best one we've had in 10 years?
Posted on 7/27/08 at 11:09 am to zack7552
That's cool, I understand where you are coming from, I just think if you are competing for titles, you always want to start out as high as possible with the system we have. It would suck if we went undefeated any year and we got left out like AU did in 2004.
I just would never "rather" start out at #11, for example, than #1
I just would never "rather" start out at #11, for example, than #1
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