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re: LSU OC vs LSU OC - Jimbo vs E - Avg Total Offense - E's Crushin' It

Posted on 2/28/19 at 9:42 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 9:42 am to
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He’s 12 off. That’s a TD per game difference. It would be a huge jump.


Nah, not really.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/28/19 at 9:43 am to
Isn't the thread about Fisher? YOU are the one that brought it up. Now WE are all discussing it. This is a thread about Fisher and you're surprised that someone is discussing him? C'mon man. I think you're better than that.

Eta: Plus you missed the point that it's not fair to E because he hasn't been given the same oppurtunities. You're seeing what you want to see.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 9:46 am
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 9:48 am to
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67.8% cmp. %
3129 yards
28TDs-8INTs


I see no problem with Burrow hitting those numbers (70% or better is more likely, IMO), The TD count is within reach provided Joe's rushing TD's are included.

If Joe Brady truly is in charge of most of the passing game, well see a ton more of the short, quick, high-percentage passes. any far fewer of those slow-developing low-percentage plays that yield almost as many throwaways as incompletions.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 9:52 am
Posted by SofaKingTrill
Member since Mar 2008
7619 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 9:48 am to
What's his average points total vs Alabama? That's what he is as an OC. A zero.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22282 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 9:50 am to
Okay. That would require him to nearly double his TD total, but you're right, not a big jump. We haven't had a QB throw for more than 22 TDs since 2006.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98215 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 9:50 am to
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What's his average points total vs Alabama? That's what he is as an OC. A zero.

Not fair at all. There are 11 other games on the schedule and those count as well.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22282 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 9:53 am to
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I see no problem with Burrow hitting those numbers (70% or better is more likely, IMO), The TD count is within reach provided Joe's rushing TD's are included.


If Joe Burrow has a completion percentage over 70% and scores 28 TDs with only 8 INTs LSU is easily in the playoffs this year.

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If Joe Brady truly is in charge of most of the passing game, well see a ton more of the short, quick, high-percentage passes. any far fewer of those slow-developing low-percentage plays that yield almost as many throwaways as incompletions.


That's odd. If Ensminger is "crushing it" then why would a change in offensive responsibilities yield such great results? What evidence do you have that Joe Brady is a better passing game coordinator than Ensminger?
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 9:56 am
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 9:56 am to
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Okay. That would require him to nearly double his TD total, but you're right, not a big jump. We haven't had a QB throw for more than 22 TDs since 2006.

Joe is a dual-threat QB. You have to include rushing TDs for a dual threat.

2018 TD's - 16 passing, 7 rushing... 23 TDs
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
11285 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 9:57 am to
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Not fair at all. There are 11 other games on the schedule and those count as well.


True, but everyone cherry picks, including the OP. The 7OT game skewed the year’s offensive averages higher, and we lost that game. Had we ended up with just one TD or FG more in regulation, we would have won the game but the offensive stats would be lower.

I’d rather have the wins than the stats.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 9:59 am
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98215 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 9:59 am to
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That's odd. If Ensminger is "crushing it" then why would a change in offensive responsibilities yield such great results?

This guy is all over the place.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:00 am to
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The 7OT game skewed the offensive averages higher, and we lost that game.


There wasn't all that much total offense in the 7 OT's. Someone said about 70 yards, but I haven't checked that stat.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98215 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:01 am to
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I’d rather have the wins than the stats.

Of course. I never have agreed with judging everything vs Bama. I realize we are going to have to beat them to win the West most likely. But, there are a lot of other games to consider as well.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75552 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:02 am to
It ads about 10 yards to our per game average.

We had 135 yards in OT

And of course 41 points.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22282 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:03 am to
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Joe is a dual-threat QB. You have to include rushing TDs for a dual threat.

2018 TD's - 16 passing, 7 rushing... 23 TDs


Three of those came in OT against A&M.

And 23 is less than 29.

Look, I like Burrow, but he's not putting up Russel like numbers this year.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 10:06 am
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
11285 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:05 am to
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never have agreed with judging everything vs Bama.


0 points in 8 quarters is concerning, much more than the L vs Bama.
Nobody would be complaining if we went 11-1 with a loss to Bama...but we continue to lose games we shouldn’t (UF, TAMU). Letting Tech and other mid majors hang around is concerning too. These issues must be addressed.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:06 am to
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This guy is all over the place.

bullshite.

I'm very consistent.

O, E, and Burrow are all grossly under-rated by the Nega's. And I've always said the WR room was inexperienced, unprepared, and had far too many drops for an SEC-level program. I believe Brady will fix that.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:08 am to
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Look, I like Burrow, but he's not putting up Russel like numbers this year.

I like Burrow too. And, yeah, he will.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75552 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:08 am to
You’re lumping a lot of people in together

For instance I’m Meh on O
Don’t think E has what it takes and
I am a big Burrow fan.

Burrow’s “inexperience” is part of a lot of pumper’s excuses.

I personally Think if we but Burrow in an offense he’s used to he would have been fine.

This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 10:11 am
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
11285 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:09 am to
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personally Think if we but Burrow in an offense he’s used to he would have been fine.


Yep. Put Burrow in an Urban Meyer offense and he’s probably elite. Not Ensminger’s slow developing crap.

I really hope Ensminger lets Brady revamp the offense.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 10:11 am
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22282 posts
Posted on 2/28/19 at 10:10 am to
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And I've always said the WR room was inexperienced, unprepared, and had far too many drops for an SEC-level program. I believe Brady will fix that.


That's not what you said. Here's what you said:

quote:

If Joe Brady truly is in charge of most of the passing game, well see a ton more of the short, quick, high-percentage passes. any far fewer of those slow-developing low-percentage plays that yield almost as many throwaways as incompletions.


So, basically, you think Brady is going to make whole sale changes to our passing game for the better, which is an odd take for someone who thinks Ensminger is currently "crushing it." Why would you advocate for change? Why do you think Brady is a better passing game coordinator than Ensminger?

And BTW, what you are predicting Brady will do is exactly what people were screaming for last year, particularly due to our poor OL play. Of course, Ensminger never adjusted. The changes you are predicting would be welcomed among most on this board....but that doesn't really jive with your take that Ensminger is crushing it.
This post was edited on 2/28/19 at 10:14 am
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