re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.

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If a coach underachieves, which then causes recruits to be harder to come by, especially at certain positions, you can't use the latter to excuse FURTHER lowering of achievement. 

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what? miles deserved to be fired for underachieving with the talent he had the last few years.


amyone with minimal football knowledge can see that.

but if your stance is that lsu doesnt have talent just 11 months after firing miles for underachieving with all this talent then youre trying to change the narrative to support the new coach.

while we arent 2011 talented we are infinitely more talented than a team with 1 top 25 class since 2013.
and we are far talented enough to not have the worst loss in lsu -msu history

C'mon dude Fedora is a joke you know that. He's 1-2 against a cupcake schedule this year he's won more than 7 games only 5 times in 10 years. As far a whittingham he's a solid football coach but only 4 10 win seasons in 14 years as a head coach isn't exactly top level or second tier even. I'm not saying you're wrong for liking the guy but he's pretty much a Brady Hoke clone and that doesn't make an attractive candidate to me. My point is are these two guys really the types of coaches you think can get us back to where we want to be? In my opinion they aren't but to each his own.

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C'mon dude Fedora is a joke you know that. He's 1-2 against a cupcake schedule this year he's won more than 7 games only 5 times in 10 years. As far a whittingham he's a solid football coach but only 4 10 win seasons in 14 years as a head coach isn't exactly top level or second tier even. I'm not saying you're wrong for liking the guy but he's pretty much a Brady Hoke clone and that doesn't make an attractive candidate to me. My point is are these two guys really the types of coaches you think can get us back to where we want to be? In my opinion they aren't but to each his own.

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Now imagine if neither had ever produced a winning season...ever.

No one is knighting for either of those candidates, but your post shows that there is at least a debate whether or not they would be successful here.

Reasonable people can disagree on coaches and how they would perform, there are no guarantees. Some coaching choices are a reach, hiring O was way beyond a reach. It was stupid.

all the coaches he shits on are far more qualified than a 55 year old career dline coach.

As always you're telling lies and putting words in people's mouths because your position is total bullshite. I never once said I was ok with how the team looked (lie number 1). And I never made an excuse for the game Saturday (lie number 2). You're the one who started with the excuses as always I never said shite about it I didn't attack Miles at all (another lie). You derailed the topic because you're a sensitive child so sensitive about your but buddy that you can't even focus on what the post was about. Both coaches started their first season at LSU 2-1 with the loss being a historically bad loss (as close to identical starts as can be) yet you are treating coach Os 2-1 start completely different because of a completely biased opinion. Thats what I said then of course you had to start with your pathetic and irrelevant excuses as always proving exactly what I said. You've even admitted that if I brought up any excuses for O they wouldn't be relative even though I didn't bring up a single one again proving how full of shite you truly are. You keep bringing up a hurricane that had no bearing on the game. We were up by 21 points in the 4th quarter of course you continue to ignore that fact because that's what you do you ignore things that don't fit your agenda. You throw a temper tantrum anytime anyone disagrees with you or calls you on your bullshite. You've even stooped so low as to insult my friends and their profession even though these guys do something you wish you could do but in fact never could for the simple fact that you lack the mental skill or knowledge. Grow up little boy.

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C'mon dude Fedora is a joke you know that. He's 1-2 against a cupcake schedule this year he's won more than 7 games only 5 times in 10 years.

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This is 10 more years of HC experience than the guy we hired.

And 5 more winning seasons than the guy we hired.

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As far a whittingham he's a solid football coach but only 4 10 win seasons in 14 years as a head coach isn't exactly top level or second tier even.

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The dude fricking coaches UTAH!

Oh. And has 14 more years as an HC than the guy we hired. 4 more 10 win seasons than the guy we hired. Oh. And 9 years as a coordinator prior the HC position. Which, is 9 more years than the guy we hired.

Just sayin....

shortyrob



my point was if your stance is we arent talented enough to not have the worst loss in lsu-msu history, youre changing the narrative of the last 11 years to support ed orgeron.

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my point was if your stance is we arent talented enough to not have the worst loss in lsu-msu history,

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That isn't my stance.

My stance in the thread has been very clear.

Both are true.

We have talent problems stemming from the prior regime.

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O was the wrong hire and is MAGNIFYING those problems and will likely continue to do so. And yes, that magnification starts with a 37-7 loss to MSU.

As loss was not completely unjustifiable. A 37-7 undisciplined mess was NOT.

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youre changing the narrative of the last 11 years to support ed orgeron.

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The frick man? Are you reading my posts?

Do I look like I "support" Orgeron in this thread?!

This is my beef. The bar was lowered because people empathized with him (one of us!!) And now confirmation bias has taken full hold of the small amount of remaining believers. Eaux was in zero way qualified for this position.