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re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:07 am to jcole4lsu
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:07 am to jcole4lsu
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And you haven't even touched on the clusterfrick that is the WR position
Same problem.
I mean come on. If we didn't have P&G glasses, we would question the sanity of any decent WR who considered LSU in the last 3 years.
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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there are 2 groups
It's fun to see the breakouts within the groups, too. There are several O folks who I distinctly remember saying Jimbo wasn't elite and that Chip Kelly didn't have the credentials to be a credible hire at LSU. Others that said Tom Herman is unproven. Yet, Orgeron has learned something rang true with them. It is astounding.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I'm in the pro-O as in, hey, I wasn't going to shite on him until he actually failed.
then there is the pro-O faction.
But, I was on record out of the gates that his hire made no sense.
After that though, I just sort of had to hope.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
A 3rd group (albeit small) is those who always hated Miles, but are now big fans of O simply because in some capacity he is different from Miles. Seems like this crowd would have defended any new coach no matter how bad he was.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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they will think that people criticize O for who he is (one of us!) and not for his coaching results.
Which baffles the shite out of me. Sports has always been one of the most progressive aspects of American culture because when it comes down to it, I want my team to beat your team.
So to have such a provincial attitude toward the hire in the first place, and to the criticisms now, is so completely arse backwards.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:12 am to ShortyRob
WR is going to take some time b/c Miles was doing a Carolina Panther strategy of large WRs with wingspan for his shitty offense
when you only run sideline routes with questionable QB accuracy, you need huge wingspans to deal with that
however, WR is a position where young guys can produce early if you scheme them right. that's on Canada
when you only run sideline routes with questionable QB accuracy, you need huge wingspans to deal with that
however, WR is a position where young guys can produce early if you scheme them right. that's on Canada
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:12 am to ShortyRob
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mean come on. If we didn't have P&G glasses, we would question the sanity of any decent WR who considered LSU in the last 3 years
Thats the truth.
2018 is shaping up to be an absolute disaster on the offensive side of the ball.
QB: true soph
OL: 3 true soph
WR: nobody with any catches/experience
RB: a SR with virtually no touches and a 5'7" soph
defense will be better though.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:12 am to jcole4lsu
The problem is not skilled positions, its in the trenches, we have not recruited well there in a while and it is showing. Until we get some meat two deep at each position we are not gonna be very good. How many QB's bama got in the NFL, none, they are a machine in the trenches. We use to wear people down and destroy them in the second half, just like state did to us.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:13 am to c on z
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A 3rd group (albeit small) is those who always hated Miles, but are now big fans of O simply because in some capacity he is different from Miles. Seems like this crowd would have defended any new coach no matter how bad he was.
Yeah. The breakouts are kind of comical.
I'm in the(as of prior to the year):
Thank God Miles is gone
WTF, we hired the 80th best option?
Well, at least I don't KNOW what the offense will look like yet
You guys missed the other breakout.
The people who can't admit we have talent problems because admission of the talent problems is taken as a knock on Miles(as it should be)
Here's reality.
We have talent problems
We hired the wrong guy
Hiring the wrong guy is going to end up costing us one of the right guys(Aranda)
We are too deficient on OL and QB to even reasonably evaluate the one new guy.
But NONE of you see the REAL fear.
We pulled a good recruiting class in 2017. But if we train wreck this shite this season, we could go from "rebuild" to, we have nothing in a big damned hurry.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:14 am to ProjectP2294
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Which baffles the shite out of me. Sports has always been one of the most progressive aspects of American culture because when it comes down to it, I want my team to beat your team.
So to have such a provincial attitude toward the hire in the first place, and to the criticisms now, is so completely arse backwards.
in/out group identification is one of the biggest traits that evolution has imprinted on humanity
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:15 am to jcole4lsu
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RB: a SR with virtually no touches and a 5'7" soph
Shh. I was trying not to point this one out.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:15 am to jr33
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The problem is not skilled positions,
Other than Guice, we are woefully behind in skill positions. I cannot remember a time we had less talent at RB and WR.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:16 am to jcole4lsu
if Etienne balls out for Clemson next year i'm going to lose my mind
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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if Etienne balls out for Clemson next year i'm going to lose my mind
you see him in clean up duty vs UL?
Mind: found [lost]
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:21 am to jcole4lsu
yeah he looked like CJ Spiller
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:21 am to SlowFlowPro
For those bitching about depth on the OL and DL, really are clueless. How many players on the OL did Ed lose transfers? Ed was the DL coach and recruiting coordinator for two freaking years basically, and hired his idol to coach in his place.
This narrative is ridiculous. How many OL just left? Didn't Ed sign an OL that freaking quit before camp even started?
Didn't Ed keep the OL coach that is honestly a joke at actually developing any of the talent we bring in?
Again, all this lies with O. As SFP said, they hired him for continuity and to maintain that recruiting class. It was a decent class in the end, but not near what it was supposed to be and his first class this season is already underwhelming.
The guys only skill set that he was sold on are as a DL coach and a recruiter, yet his recruiting has been no where near expected.
All in all, hiring him the way they did was the disaster more than anything.
This narrative is ridiculous. How many OL just left? Didn't Ed sign an OL that freaking quit before camp even started?
Didn't Ed keep the OL coach that is honestly a joke at actually developing any of the talent we bring in?
Again, all this lies with O. As SFP said, they hired him for continuity and to maintain that recruiting class. It was a decent class in the end, but not near what it was supposed to be and his first class this season is already underwhelming.
The guys only skill set that he was sold on are as a DL coach and a recruiter, yet his recruiting has been no where near expected.
All in all, hiring him the way they did was the disaster more than anything.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:21 am to Dawgfan128
STOP COMPARING O TO SABAN
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:23 am to wildtigercat93
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STOP COMPARING O TO SABAN
Why?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:27 am to 1999
quote:I bet it was the same one, he is just implementing his plan at a record pace.
coach o used a similar binder to get the ole miss job
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Not reading all this, just referring to the original post... OF COURSE there is going to be rebuilding, otherwise why did we fire Miles? Answer: because we wanted a new offense. Not a tweaked one, we basically had that last year. We wanted a NEW offense. We wanted it unpredictable. We wanted to be able to develop quarterbacks. We wanted some sort of short passing game. We wanted the sort of thing we've seen beat Bama (recently). Anyone who thought that meant little tweaks here and there was hearing what they wanted to hear. We wanted a NEW offense which would replace something which had been in place for eleven years. How are you going to replace something that entrenched without rebuilding??
The continuity that Orgeron offered was in recruiting and keeping Aranda. That's it.
He did a fairly decent job of delivering on recruiting for last year (you can't ignore the extra difficulty of pulling in a top class amidst the chaos of a mid season coaching change). If the 2018 class turns out to suck, you can certainly claim he didn't deliver on something he was hired to do.
...and Aranda stayed on staff. Now why the defense looked like it did against Miss St... I can't defend Orgeron on that one.
The continuity that Orgeron offered was in recruiting and keeping Aranda. That's it.
He did a fairly decent job of delivering on recruiting for last year (you can't ignore the extra difficulty of pulling in a top class amidst the chaos of a mid season coaching change). If the 2018 class turns out to suck, you can certainly claim he didn't deliver on something he was hired to do.
...and Aranda stayed on staff. Now why the defense looked like it did against Miss St... I can't defend Orgeron on that one.
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