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re: “LSU is kicking itself for not having a bigger event this weekend” - Shea Dixon
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:50 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:50 pm to Lester Earl
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The conference numbers are irrelevant
if 3 of the top 5 classes are from the SEC west, I don't give a shite if we are 3rd. Simple as that.
So the teams on LSU's schedule building better rosters is "irrelevant"?
Got it.
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:51 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
The conference numbers are irrelevant
if 3 of the top 5 classes are from the SEC west, I don't give a shite if we are 3rd. Simple as that.
Agreed.
We can't make A&M and Bama have bad classes. We can only have good ones ourselves. If we're top 5 every year, we'll be in the "elite" talent category as a program and that is what we want.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:52 pm to RB10
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So the teams on LSU's schedule building better rosters is "irrelevant"?
Got it.
If A&M cleans up in Texas and Bama cleans up nationally, what are we supposed to do about it besides having an equally elite class ourselves? Do we sabotage them somehow?
The difference in the classes in the top 5 is usually pretty negligible. One long snapper or underrated instate kid can swing you from 3 to 5.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:53 pm to TheCaterpillar
For the record, I hate that it comes off like I'm defending Orgeron.
Because I'm not.
I'm just saying a top 5 class every year is good enough, regardless of who is in front of us.
Because I'm not.
I'm just saying a top 5 class every year is good enough, regardless of who is in front of us.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:58 pm to TheCaterpillar
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If A&M cleans up in Texas and Bama cleans up nationally, what are we supposed to do about it besides having an equally elite class ourselves? Do we sabotage them somehow?
The difference in the classes in the top 5 is usually pretty negligible. One long snapper or underrated instate kid can swing you from 3 to 5.
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2nd
5th
2nd
7th
Those are LSU's classes from 2013-2017. If being "around 5th" is good enough now, why wasn't it then?
Take into account that the coaching at Bama, aTm, Auburn, UF and UGA are all equal, or better, than it was during that time frame and your argument loses even more steam.
LSU is falling behind the big dogs in the conference, and there is nothing to suggest that the trend is going to be reversed.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:01 pm to RB10
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So the teams on LSU's schedule building better rosters is "irrelevant"?
As always, context matters.
Learn it & become better for it
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:02 pm to Lester Earl
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As always, context matters.
Learn it & become better for it
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if 3 of the top 5 classes are from the SEC west, I don't give a shite if we are 3rd.
Do explain how I missed the context in the above statement. I'll wait.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:03 pm to RB10
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Take into account that the coaching at Bama, aTm, Auburn, UF and UGA are all equal, or better, than it was during that time frame and your argument loses even more steam.
Was it though? I don't think our offense had nearly the coaching those teams did in those spans. And we have still yet to lose to A&M so maybe take them out of that...
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Those are LSU's classes from 2013-2017. If being "around 5th" is good enough now, why wasn't it then?
Bad roster management at QB and bad coaching on offense.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:04 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Was it though? I don't think our offense had nearly the coaching those teams did in those spans. And we have still yet to lose to A&M so maybe take them out of that...
aTm's coaching is much better now than it was then, which is my point. All of those teams that I listed have either kept their staff largely intact, or upgraded it.
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Bad roster management at QB and bad coaching on offense.
What's changed?
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:09 pm to RB10
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What's changed?
Nothing?
I'm not defending Orgeron...I'm just saying top 5 classes every year are good enough, granted with the caveat that a good QB comes on board every once in a while.
Also to be fair, We have Burrow, Brennan, and Parish (who I think is a solid QB prospect).
I really hate that you're making it seem like I'm defending Orgeron. He hasn't given us a top 5 class was 16th last year, which is unacceptable. But if LSU brings in top 5 classes every year, we'll be in the elite talent category. Its splitting hairs at that point as to who has more talent.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:09 pm to RB10
The fact that you think the 4th ranked team is guaranteed to have a better roster than the 5th ranked team. Especially after you just posted LSU’s finishes which we all know how that ended.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:13 pm to Lester Earl
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The fact that you think the 4th ranked team is guaranteed to have a better roster than the 5th ranked team. Especially after you just posted LSU’s finishes which we all know how that ended.
I think a pattern, by the only measure we have, of signing less talented classes than multiple divisional opponents is not a recipe for success.
ETA: LSU has consistently had the 2nd most talented roster in the division for the last 5 years, but have won no titles. Now, you're telling me they're fine even though Texas AM is surging, and LSU may be falling to 3rd in the division.
"Logic"
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:18 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I'm not defending Orgeron...I'm just saying top 5 classes every year are good enough, granted with the caveat that a good QB comes on board every once in a while.
I would say top 5 classes are good enough, granted with the caveat that the coaching staff is able to harness the talents.
That is where LSU fell behind, and I've seen no indication to suggest that this is no longer the case.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:25 pm to RB10
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holding our own against the heavy hitters, I'll be happy.
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I found your problem, because we haven't for a long time
We haven't really gone head to head much against Georgia, but yeah, we've been losing more than winning against Jimbo and Saban. Off the top of my head, Orgeron is 1-4 (5 if Brooks really flips) in the biggest battles against Jimbo. We got Marshall, but didn't get Akers, Wilson, Foster and Green.
And to clarify something, I'm not the least bit happy about where things stand today. But, hey, it's recruiting and we have a few months before making a final verdict.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:25 pm to RB10
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I would say top 5 classes are good enough, granted with the caveat that the coaching staff is able to harness the talents.
That is where LSU fell behind, and I've seen no indication to suggest that this is no longer the case.
Ok so after all of that, we agree completely.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:29 pm to whitefoot
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We haven't really gone head to head much against Georgia, but yeah, we've been losing more than winning against Jimbo and Saban. Off the top of my head, Orgeron is 1-4 (5 if Brooks really flips) in the biggest battles against Jimbo. We got Marshall, but didn't get Akers, Wilson, Foster and Green.
And to clarify something, I'm not the least bit happy about where things stand today. But, hey, it's recruiting and we have a few months before making a final verdict.
We all know Jimbo can recruit, and he knows how to build a championship winning roster. aTm may not be an immediate threat, but they will be in short order. Bama, Auburn and Arkansas are going to be what they've been, though I can see Arkansas taking a step forward. OM is going to return to the norm soon, but I'm not sure about State. They've got a ton of momentum right now.
Then you go to our cross divisional opponent and we are dealing with Dan Mullen still, except now he's going to have much, much more talent.
ETA: The SEC is separating itself in the coaching arms race again. I just hope LSU isn't falling further behind than before.
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:31 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Ok so after all of that, we agree completely.
Mostly. I do not agree at all that top 5 classes are good enough alone. You have to take into account where LSU's closest competitors are, and how many kids LSU really wanted (Surtain, for example) those teams are taking.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:33 pm to RB10
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Mostly. I do not agree at all that top 5 classes are good enough alone. You have to take into account where LSU's closest competitors are, and how many kids LSU really wanted (Surtain, for example) those teams are taking.
I thought it was clear I meant top 5 classes were good enough in terms of recruiting, regardless of where our division rivals rank.
Of course you have to coach as well. That is why we fired Miles. We had talent and bad coaching on one side of the ball.
I agree, nothing has shown me that will change.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:39 pm to RB10
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Now, you're telling me they're fine even though Texas AM is surging, and LSU may be falling to 3rd in the division.
I’m not saying we are fine right now.
I am saying we will be fine with a top 5-6 finish
You can get stuck on our division teams all you want. They are storied programs with good coaches. I can guarantee they aren’t going to take it lightly if LSU is finishing top 5-6, even if it is behind them.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:41 pm to Solo Cam
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LSU doesn’t have as much to sell as Georgia (This is a bitch excuse imo)
What does this even mean. Georgia has landed too five running backs every season with Smart, as well a qbs.. one season he landed like two top five backs.. wasn’t it just this past?
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