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LSU has Pro Style Talent on Offense but runs a Hully Gully schem

Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:43 am
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:43 am
Boy after watching Stanford last night and seeing what a well oiled pro=style scheme they run based on power running and play action passing and integrating lots of shifts and using the TEs to create mis-matches I just hang my head in disappointment thinking about what a sham the LSU offense is with Gary Crowton and how poorly designed and coached the LSU offense is.

What we saw last night was the offense LSU should be running to fully exploit their talent but they would need the coaches who can instill proper technique and execution.

Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:48 am to
Fwiw, I've been saying this for a while now.

It's not the qb, it's the scheme.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:50 am to
quote:

Boy after watching Stanford last night and seeing what a well oiled pro=style scheme they run based on power running and play action passing and integrating lots of shifts and using the TEs to create mis-matches I just hang my head in disappointment thinking about what a sham the LSU offense is with Gary Crowton and how poorly designed and coached the LSU offense is.

What we saw last night was the offense LSU should be running to fully exploit their talent but they would need the coaches who can instill proper technique and execution.


+1

And I will add I wish we could be physical the way Stanford was.

Now you will get all the replies that we have JJ and they have Luck.
Posted by Roach
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:52 am to
Stanford runs tons of different formations and looks. Really fun to watch - of course it helps when you have Luck at QB.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:53 am to
JJ is no Luck, but he would be far more successful in that offense. Fewer reads and fewer formations/plays and personnel packages to manage.

JJ actually does pretty well making plays out of the pocket and you saw how often Luck was rolling out last night on bootlegs and play action. JJ would be best served in that kind of a system, but We go with the Hully gully 127 yard a game passing clusterjam.

Its an embarrassment.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:53 am to
Don't know what a "Hully Gully schem" is but if it is associated with the last 2 years of LSU offense, I'm against it.

And I do believe that the offensive offensive production of the last 2 years is predominantly casued by our quarterbacking which has impacted our scheme.
Posted by TheOC
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:54 am to
YES!! YES!! YES!! I was thinking the exact same thing. Why have we continued to recruit stud tight ends only to basically use them 3 or 4 times a game?

Deangelo Peterson should be getting 10 touches a game. We should never get inside the 5 yard with 1st or 2nd and goal and not have a play to isolate him or one of our other stud TEs for a pass play.

We finally have a legit stud QB coming in and he should be ready to play from the day classes start in January.

DO NOT F THIS UP MILES!!!!

Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:55 am to
quote:

JJ actually does pretty well making plays out of the pocket


Have we been watching the same team? JJ's forte is off the roll-out.
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:56 am to
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pro=style scheme they run based on power running
Doesn't sound very pro-style to me. Maybe the Falcons.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:58 am to
Also what is even more frustrating is the level of talent Stanford has compared to LSU yet they get alot more out of what they have recrutied.
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:04 am to
I don't agree with Crowtons scheme at all....but everything comes a little easier when you have arguably the best pro-style QB in college football.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:11 am to
sorry, I meant to type "outside of the pocket" not "out of the pocket". we are watching the same games.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:12 am to
Its the scheme more than anything. Luck would look like a dumbass undrafted free agent trying to run Crowtons' birds nest of an offense.
Posted by TheOC
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:13 am to
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Also what is even more frustrating is the level of talent Stanford has compared to LSU yet they get alot more out of what they have recrutied.


This is true to an extent. But Harbaugh has instilled a seriously tough training regimen, and Stanford only admits student athletes who can actually get admitted into the school.

Don't forget that Vic Fangio is his DC. I remember him being pretty successful in the NFL. I mean he was the Saints linebackers coach during the Dome Patrol era for pete's sake!! DC in Carolina when they made it to NFCCG in '95. Just look at his Wikipedia page. He'll probably be the next Stanford coach if Harbaugh leaves.

John Gruden commented that they have something like 300 plays available for each game. This is likely possible because of the superior intelligence of the football team. Luck was Valedictorian of his high school.

I mean look at that cat who plays fullback and linebacker!! Dude is a serious stud and plays nearly every down!!

There's a reason why NFL quality/experienced coaches have success at Stanford. (Bill Walsh, Denny Greene)

If somehow Stanford can hold on to Harbaugh they could become the Duke of college football. Attracting boatloads of smart athletic players who can handle pro-style schemes that most opposing teams will have trouble coping with.

This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 10:15 am
Posted by yaherrdme
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:13 am to
quote:

Hully Gully schem


Great Idea.. Buckskin Bill for O-C

Posted by TexasSinger
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:14 am to
Watching the Stanford TE last night, I couldn't help but picture DLo running those same patterns, but faster. DLo has really been under utilized this year. I'm not asking for 10 targets a game, but there are at least 5-6 times a game where you can set up some of those exact plays Stanford was running for their TE. As much attention Tolliver, Randle, and Shep garners, I know we all thought before 2011 kicked off that DLo would win a good number of one on ones and post a solid season. I guess we just don't have the right OC or the right QB or maybe, juuuuuuuuuuuust maybe, we don't have both.
Posted by MN Tigah
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:14 am to
I hate to say it, but you guys seem to be giving Va tech way too much credit. Yes, Stanford had a good second half, and yes, Stanford has a good offense. But nobody from the ACC or Big East had any business deserving a BCS Bowl bid. Stanford deserved theirs.

If LSU ran a pro offense, Lee would be the starter. JJ's only real problem is that he has not prepared well enough to quickly find his secondary reads.

I agree that JJ is at his most dangerous on the roll. I think that Randle is our most dangerous receiver.

Because JJ has had time to really study and prepare for this game, I expect a fine performance from him. Forget last year's performance in the slop against PSU. If he has a good game, the Tigers should win easily. If he struggles, and if LSU loses the turnover battle, it could be a long night for the Tigers.

Let's hope the defense scores and we get a couple of great kick/punt returns. I see those as likely events.

Geaux Tigers
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:19 am to
quote:

Its the scheme more than anything. Luck would look like a dumbass undrafted free agent trying to run Crowtons' birds nest of an offense.
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:25 am to
quote:

Its the scheme more than anything. Luck would look like a dumbass undrafted free agent trying to run Crowtons' birds nest of an offense.


possibly...i just don't think they trust JJ or Lee. The offense was fine when he had Flynn...who he trusted. With a QB like Luck i think we would see an entirely different offense...just my opinion.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:31 am to
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The offense was fine when he had Flynn...who he trusted


Different offense.
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